Riles always has a plan,hes a smart dude i bet hes already got something with haslem where he trades him then resigns him next year,haslem is a lifetime miami player and i bet haslem will do it for the good of the team to get a bigger payday next year when we can afford him.

quote:

Originally posted by Nolio:
The is though, its easy to say "lets wait for 2010" but its not that easy.

1. Stoudamire has already stressed that he's either looking into resigning with phoenix for a max deal if they are willing to do so. And if that doesn't work then whatever team he is traded to this year, he wants to sign an extension with.


2. Bosh is still probably our #1 priority after wade but frankly, he will be the most sought after FA if cleveland gets it all or comes close to it and Lebron resigns in cleveland. Basically, the market for Lebron is extremely large and Miami wouldn't be able to coax him like some teams would. Hell, even the raptors could possibly give him a max deal if they can go far this year.


3. A lot more teams are scrapping the 2010 plan it seems and are going into win now mode. This opens up the market for a lot more of the quality guys. Especially through trades. A backup center like Gortat is in the upper tier of guys to sign compared to allen iverson, shawn marion, etc. etc.


As of now, "who wants to play with D-Wade in south beach" is our only pick up line. This offseason is going to be just like the 07-08 off season. Nobody will want to play with us, we'll make a bad deal mid season to contend with the teams whom have already pulled away and in the end, wade will become increasingly frustrated.

Yup. The talent difference between the top teams and even just the average teams not the bad teams, is so huge now I can't imagine how many impact players Riley intends on picking up in 2010 without any moves being made this year to get even on the same radar as them. I just really don't understand this waiting game. I think it will only get worse if we do.

Riley is not going to be pushed by the "what have you done for me lately" fans. With the anxiety going around on this board, if some of you guys were GMs, we would already be stuck with a bad trade. The inmates are trying to run the asylum!!!

NBA history is filled with teams who took a step back to step forward. This year mght just be that for us, and Wade needs to prepare himself for that possible eventuality.

I am a longterm Heat fan, so I do not expect my team to be at the top of the pile every year of their existence. As in every other professional sport where there is a cap, everything happens in cycles. This year may not be the year for us to be great (not that we will not compete), but it can setup a couple of great years for the Heat starting with next year.

Wade has to realize he is ahead of his class. Le Bron, Bosh, Melo, and the rest, are all trying to catch up. He has to trust the Heat plan, and that has to begin with him signing an extension. The options are clear; if he doesn't sign, we have to tread cautiously until next season when we can either sign him or replace him with 2nd tier talents.

Like I have said so far this summer, give me a decent vet PG for one year, and I will be happy. If we happen to miss the playoffs, so be it, we will have a high draft pick to go with our young players and capspace.

Wade would be selfish to expect us to take any other apporach.

quote:

Originally posted by Heated:
Riley is not going to be pushed by the "what have you done for me lately" fans. With the anxiety going around on this board, if some of you guys were GMs, we would already be stuck with a bad trade. The inmates are trying to run the asylum!!!

NBA history is filled with teams who took a step back to step forward. This year mght just be that for us, and Wade needs to prepare himself for that possible eventuality.

I am a longterm Heat fan, so I do not expect my team to be at the top of the pile every year of their existence. As in every other professional sport where there is a cap, everything happens in cycles. This year may not be the year for us to be great (not that we will not compete), but it can setup a couple of great years for the Heat starting with next year.

Wade has to realize he is ahead of his class. Le Bron, Bosh, Melo, and the rest, are all trying to catch up. He has to trust the Heat plan, and that has to begin with him signing an extension. The options are clear; if he doesn't sign, we have to tread cautiously until next season when we can either sign him or replace him with 2nd tier talents.

Like I have said so far this summer, give me a decent vet PG for one year, and I will be happy. If we happen to miss the playoffs, so be it, we will have a high draft pick to go with our young players and capspace.

Wade would be selfish to expect us to take any other apporach.

How bout: Beasley for Carlos Boozer
Mike Bibby for full MLE

OR

How bout: Beasley, Blount, and Jones for Amare Stoudemire and Barbosa

Sign Shawn marion for full MLE

O'neal/Anthony
Boozer/Haslem
Moon/Jones
Wade/Cook
Bibby/Chalmers

vs.

O'neal/Anthony
Stoudemire/Haslem
Marion/Moon
Wade/Cook
Barbosa/Chalmers

Tough Decision...you pick!!

quote:

Originally posted by Heated:
Riley is not going to be pushed by the "what have you done for me lately" fans. With the anxiety going around on this board, if some of you guys were GMs, we would already be stuck with a bad trade. The inmates are trying to run the asylum!!!

NBA history is filled with teams who took a step back to step forward. This year mght just be that for us, and Wade needs to prepare himself for that possible eventuality.

I am a longterm Heat fan, so I do not expect my team to be at the top of the pile every year of their existence. As in every other professional sport where there is a cap, everything happens in cycles. This year may not be the year for us to be great (not that we will not compete), but it can setup a couple of great years for the Heat starting with next year.

Wade has to realize he is ahead of his class. Le Bron, Bosh, Melo, and the rest, are all trying to catch up. He has to trust the Heat plan, and that has to begin with him signing an extension. The options are clear; if he doesn't sign, we have to tread cautiously until next season when we can either sign him or replace him with 2nd tier talents.

Like I have said so far this summer, give me a decent vet PG for one year, and I will be happy. If we happen to miss the playoffs, so be it, we will have a high draft pick to go with our young players and capspace.

Wade would be selfish to expect us to take any other apporach.

I hope Riley isn't thinking like you. Wade is gone next year for sure if so. lol @ him being selfish for asking for help. Thats one thing I never understood about sports fans. If an organization is playing hardball its good they're looking out for their team. If a player is playing hardball he's a selfish dirtbag.

quote:

Originally posted by MikeLew:

quote:

Originally posted by Heated:
Riley is not going to be pushed by the "what have you done for me lately" fans. With the anxiety going around on this board, if some of you guys were GMs, we would already be stuck with a bad trade. The inmates are trying to run the asylum!!!

NBA history is filled with teams who took a step back to step forward. This year mght just be that for us, and Wade needs to prepare himself for that possible eventuality.

I am a longterm Heat fan, so I do not expect my team to be at the top of the pile every year of their existence. As in every other professional sport where there is a cap, everything happens in cycles. This year may not be the year for us to be great (not that we will not compete), but it can setup a couple of great years for the Heat starting with next year.

Wade has to realize he is ahead of his class. Le Bron, Bosh, Melo, and the rest, are all trying to catch up. He has to trust the Heat plan, and that has to begin with him signing an extension. The options are clear; if he doesn't sign, we have to tread cautiously until next season when we can either sign him or replace him with 2nd tier talents.

Like I have said so far this summer, give me a decent vet PG for one year, and I will be happy. If we happen to miss the playoffs, so be it, we will have a high draft pick to go with our young players and capspace.

Wade would be selfish to expect us to take any other apporach.

How bout: Beasley for Carlos Boozer
Mike Bibby for full MLE

OR

How bout: Beasley, Blount, and Jones for Amare Stoudemire and Barbosa

Sign Shawn marion for full MLE

O'neal/Anthony
Boozer/Haslem
Moon/Jones
Wade/Cook
Bibby/Chalmers

vs.

O'neal/Anthony
Stoudemire/Haslem
Marion/Moon
Wade/Cook
Barbosa/Chalmers

Tough Decision...you pick!!

It;s impossible. Mike bibby will not sign that MLE, other teams can give him better and also Shawn after ewarning almost 17million a year is not easy to accept mearely 5mil.

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Originally posted by 2Hot:

quote:

Originally posted by Heated:
Riley is not going to be pushed by the "what have you done for me lately" fans. With the anxiety going around on this board, if some of you guys were GMs, we would already be stuck with a bad trade. The inmates are trying to run the asylum!!!

NBA history is filled with teams who took a step back to step forward. This year mght just be that for us, and Wade needs to prepare himself for that possible eventuality.

I am a longterm Heat fan, so I do not expect my team to be at the top of the pile every year of their existence. As in every other professional sport where there is a cap, everything happens in cycles. This year may not be the year for us to be great (not that we will not compete), but it can setup a couple of great years for the Heat starting with next year.

Wade has to realize he is ahead of his class. Le Bron, Bosh, Melo, and the rest, are all trying to catch up. He has to trust the Heat plan, and that has to begin with him signing an extension. The options are clear; if he doesn't sign, we have to tread cautiously until next season when we can either sign him or replace him with 2nd tier talents.

Like I have said so far this summer, give me a decent vet PG for one year, and I will be happy. If we happen to miss the playoffs, so be it, we will have a high draft pick to go with our young players and capspace.

Wade would be selfish to expect us to take any other apporach.

I hope Riley isn't thinking like you. Wade is gone next year for sure if so. lol @ him being selfish for asking for help. Thats one thing I never understood about sports fans. If an organization is playing hardball its good they're looking out for their team. If a player is playing hardball he's a selfish dirtbag.

If Wade is gone next year because the Heat cannot swing a deal before 2010, then he is selfish, and can take his game elsewhere.

When you go to your parents and ask them for a new pair of shoes, I hope you know they can give you only what they can afford at that time. If they tell you to wait until they get their tax returns next April, and you decide that is too long to wait - then you need to check yourself!!!

Plus, I think many of you are making a lot more about what Wade is expecting Riley to do this summer than what Wade expects.

Riley has a master plan you watch it is going to be like when we got payton,walker,and posey

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Originally posted by ..3Wade..:

quote:

Originally posted by MikeLew:

quote:

Originally posted by Heated:
Riley is not going to be pushed by the "what have you done for me lately" fans. With the anxiety going around on this board, if some of you guys were GMs, we would already be stuck with a bad trade. The inmates are trying to run the asylum!!!

NBA history is filled with teams who took a step back to step forward. This year mght just be that for us, and Wade needs to prepare himself for that possible eventuality.

I am a longterm Heat fan, so I do not expect my team to be at the top of the pile every year of their existence. As in every other professional sport where there is a cap, everything happens in cycles. This year may not be the year for us to be great (not that we will not compete), but it can setup a couple of great years for the Heat starting with next year.

Wade has to realize he is ahead of his class. Le Bron, Bosh, Melo, and the rest, are all trying to catch up. He has to trust the Heat plan, and that has to begin with him signing an extension. The options are clear; if he doesn't sign, we have to tread cautiously until next season when we can either sign him or replace him with 2nd tier talents.

Like I have said so far this summer, give me a decent vet PG for one year, and I will be happy. If we happen to miss the playoffs, so be it, we will have a high draft pick to go with our young players and capspace.

Wade would be selfish to expect us to take any other apporach.

How bout: Beasley for Carlos Boozer
Mike Bibby for full MLE

OR

How bout: Beasley, Blount, and Jones for Amare Stoudemire and Barbosa

Sign Shawn marion for full MLE

O'neal/Anthony
Boozer/Haslem
Moon/Jones
Wade/Cook
Bibby/Chalmers

vs.

O'neal/Anthony
Stoudemire/Haslem
Marion/Moon
Wade/Cook
Barbosa/Chalmers

Tough Decision...you pick!!

It;s impossible. Mike bibby will not sign that MLE, other teams can give him better and also Shawn after ewarning almost 17million a year is not easy to accept mearely 5mil.

No, at the point of his career he woul sign for it unless he gets a 10 mill offer, but who would give him that.

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Originally posted by FeelnTheHeat:
I think hes going to trade for Boozer and possibly sign AI for a year. Then the following season, AI is off the books for 2010.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/t...chine?tradeId=myu66t

We signed Cheap labor in Beverly to help out with the bench for when AI walks. AI would have to start for this season if we pick him up. I just hope that won't hurt Mario's production. I'm sure Spo will figure out a way to get them both minutes. Then again, look what happened in Detroit with Rip. That's the only thing im worried about.

im not sure why you think hes going to trade for boozer. I mean sure hes a great player, but we currently have beasley and haslem on the roster, and trading them for boozer isnt really the best idea. what we need and ive said this over and over again, is a small forward. someone like ariza, gerald wallace, ron artest, etc... if we can make this happen then the heats defense will improve tons. Along with grabbing ourselves another 3 point threat.

I dont think making a big move this offseason is the right idea. theres 2 possible scenarios...

#1 sign a FA to the VM, or MLE

#2 trade away our expiring contracts for a SF... i mean everyone except wade, chalmers, beasley, and oneal should be on the table. and only oneal if the right deal comes along.

some of you may wonder why, but really whats wrong with our team how it is... for now.

What were the main concerns from last year? Perimeter defense. A better offensive gameplan and more offense in the paint. If you trade away oneal and dont get back something good for him you lose a solid big man, both offensively and defensively. and you lose a 20 million dollar expiring contract.

so really we should stick to 2 moves, signing a vet pg, and trading blounts expiring contract and maybe one other players for a solid SF... with a lineup of

chalmers/marburry
wade/cook
(wallace/ariza/artest)/jones
Beasley/Haslem
Oneal/Magloire

our team looks pretty good offensively and defensively, and not to mention plenty of youth and depth...

dont go moving players like beasley, or oneal unless we're getting great players in return.


What cracks me up is that everyone is complaining about the trade we made last season, when in reality it was an incredible trade for us. We gained a big man who got better as the season went on, produced... the only thing he didnt do amazingly well was rebound, he still did decent though. Its also funny to me that everyone is afraid of wade leaving. I mean really, people are freaking out about it.

I've asked this question many times and still have yet to see a response. Where is wade going to go? hes not going to cleveland... lebron is gonna stay there, thats pretty obvious. Is he gonna go to NY and play for a crappy team? that doesnt help him at all...it puts him in a worse ship than hes in now. is he gonna go to pheonix and play with amare? or toronto and play with bosh? i mean really? im not saying its impossible for him to leave, but what is the benefit to him as a player if he leaves?

I mean really here in miami he will have a max contract, 3 developing players looking to max great strides to be solid nba players and possible all-stars, and he has a team that will have money to sign another big name. The only reason i can see him leaving is to get the HELL away from spoelstra (lol jk), but really him leaving much like bryant leaving LA would be a huge mistake... look at kobe, he *****ed and moaned and essentially has the exact same team as before when he *****ed and moaned... except for gasol, give it time, and we will be JUST FINE!


also dont tell me that beasley and chalmers arent on the same level as guys like bynum and ariza and others because i think they are, they both had pretty good rookie years, i mean we went to the playoffs for god sakes, why is everyone looking at last year as a failure?

quote:

Originally posted by Heated:

quote:

Originally posted by 2Hot:

quote:

Originally posted by Heated:
Riley is not going to be pushed by the "what have you done for me lately" fans. With the anxiety going around on this board, if some of you guys were GMs, we would already be stuck with a bad trade. The inmates are trying to run the asylum!!!

NBA history is filled with teams who took a step back to step forward. This year mght just be that for us, and Wade needs to prepare himself for that possible eventuality.

I am a longterm Heat fan, so I do not expect my team to be at the top of the pile every year of their existence. As in every other professional sport where there is a cap, everything happens in cycles. This year may not be the year for us to be great (not that we will not compete), but it can setup a couple of great years for the Heat starting with next year.

Wade has to realize he is ahead of his class. Le Bron, Bosh, Melo, and the rest, are all trying to catch up. He has to trust the Heat plan, and that has to begin with him signing an extension. The options are clear; if he doesn't sign, we have to tread cautiously until next season when we can either sign him or replace him with 2nd tier talents.

Like I have said so far this summer, give me a decent vet PG for one year, and I will be happy. If we happen to miss the playoffs, so be it, we will have a high draft pick to go with our young players and capspace.

Wade would be selfish to expect us to take any other apporach.

I hope Riley isn't thinking like you. Wade is gone next year for sure if so. lol @ him being selfish for asking for help. Thats one thing I never understood about sports fans. If an organization is playing hardball its good they're looking out for their team. If a player is playing hardball he's a selfish dirtbag.

If Wade is gone next year because the Heat cannot swing a deal before 2010, then he is selfish, and can take his game elsewhere.

When you go to your parents and ask them for a new pair of shoes, I hope you know they can give you only what they can afford at that time. If they tell you to wait until they get their tax returns next April, and you decide that is too long to wait - then you need to check yourself!!!

Plus, I think many of you are making a lot more about what Wade is expecting Riley to do this summer than what Wade expects.

Bad analogy because I'm a grown asz man. I don't ask anybody to buy me anything.

If you want to continue with the analogy though, you might want to make it more accurate. Its more like a kid coming to their parents asking for food and the parents getting indignant about their kid asking and saying "money doesn't grow on trees!" when in reality, a responsible parent should have provided it in the first place. The kid shouldn't have even had to ask because it is something that is essential. The Cavs seem to get that and the Heat either don't or don't care.

And before you spout off some bs about LeBron needing to 'catch up' to anything, keep in mind that his FO has set him up so that he's not only competitive RIGHT NOW, but that they also have boatloads of capspace in 2010 just like we do to where they can make a splash as well. To put it in simple terms: we have no real advantages in the now or the future of the team that will be competing for signing the guy who we've built 2 yrs around the hopes of signing. Considering this, if Bosh becomes an FA and he is our ultimate target, where do you think he'd rather go? Join an already competitive championship team or a team that has made no improvements since 2006 and is built like a first round exit team?

2hot, Miami can build a championship team in 2010. it isn't oh we're going to have bosh,wade, beasley and chalmers.

We can *** Bosh, Feylton, Gerald Wallace and so on. riley may have not counted on J.O deciding nto to opt out, but his plan has already been to make a championship team in 2010

quote:

Originally posted by EternalSageX:
2hot, Miami can build a championship team in 2010. it isn't oh we're going to have bosh,wade, beasley and chalmers.

We can *** Bosh, Feylton, Gerald Wallace and so on. riley may have not counted on J.O deciding nto to opt out, but his plan has already been to make a championship team in 2010

G Wall ain't even an FA next year first of all, so we'd have to trade for him if we wanted him regardless. So whats the difference between trading for him NOW and giving Wade support NOW so he can have a reason to stay next year than waiting till next year? Thats exactly my point. What the hell is the point in waiting a year to make moves that you're going to have to make anyway next year? If you can make them now, do it. And I'm not necessarily saying for us to make rash decisions, I'd rather us stay put than have another Ricky Davis fiasco. But I know plenty beneficial moves we can make right now, that would be small in terms of what we plan to do in 2010, but still very helpful. Also it annoys me to hear Riley say he is purposely not going to make any moves even if they are there for him to make until 2010. I just think its stupid.

Finally, isn't it better to have some of your pieces in place already to build a championship team and then bring in the final piece in 2010 rather than bringing all of them in at once that same year? It'd be nicer to have G Wall and Felton already here and building a chemistry with Wade for a year and then bring in the final piece Bosh or Amare in 2010.

quote:

Originally posted by 2Hot:
if Bosh becomes an FA and he is our ultimate target, where do you think he'd rather go? Join an already competitive championship team or a team that has made no improvements since 2006 and is built like a first round exit team?

This is what confuses me about certain posters as well. There are 29 other teams in the NBA fighting to sign players. What makes people think we have some magical ability to be able to point at players and have them sign with us automatically? Again, people are relying too much on chance when we can attempt to go out and make trades now and improve now. Its like having a broken leg and waiting a couple months before seeking medical attention.

quote:

Originally posted by Ladz:

quote:

Originally posted by 2Hot:
if Bosh becomes an FA and he is our ultimate target, where do you think he'd rather go? Join an already competitive championship team or a team that has made no improvements since 2006 and is built like a first round exit team?

This is what confuses me about certain posters as well. There are 29 other teams in the NBA fighting to sign players. What makes people think we have some magical ability to be able to point at players and have them sign with us automatically? Again, people are relying too much on chance when we can attempt to go out and make trades now and improve now. Its like having a broken leg and waiting a couple months before seeking medical attention.

That same token can be said about going out and making trades. Some teams may want to keep their young star players. I don't think every GM in the NBA is ******ed to be nothing more then bottom feeders.