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Originally posted by MrMiki:
Yes, Riley has a plan and it's pretty simple.

The plan is summer 2010. Plenty of money to work with. Plenty of FAs. Makes sense to me. Not to mention that summer will be better than this one in terms of talent available.

People need to calm the hell down, seriously. You guys are like Stan Van Gundy during crunch time = PANIC! =D

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Originally posted by TheReg23:

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Originally posted by FeelnTheHeat:
I think hes going to trade for Boozer and possibly sign AI for a year. Then the following season, AI is off the books for 2010.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/t...chine?tradeId=myu66t

We signed Cheap labor in Beverly to help out with the bench for when AI walks. AI would have to start for this season if we pick him up. I just hope that won't hurt Mario's production. I'm sure Spo will figure out a way to get them both minutes. Then again, look what happened in Detroit with Rip. That's the only thing im worried about.

im not sure why you think hes going to trade for boozer. I mean sure hes a great player, but we currently have beasley and haslem on the roster, and trading them for boozer isnt really the best idea. what we need and ive said this over and over again, is a small forward. someone like ariza, gerald wallace, ron artest, etc... if we can make this happen then the heats defense will improve tons. Along with grabbing ourselves another 3 point threat.

I dont think making a big move this offseason is the right idea. theres 2 possible scenarios...

#1 sign a FA to the VM, or MLE

#2 trade away our expiring contracts for a SF... i mean everyone except wade, chalmers, beasley, and oneal should be on the table. and only oneal if the right deal comes along.

some of you may wonder why, but really whats wrong with our team how it is... for now.

What were the main concerns from last year? Perimeter defense. A better offensive gameplan and more offense in the paint. If you trade away oneal and dont get back something good for him you lose a solid big man, both offensively and defensively. and you lose a 20 million dollar expiring contract.

so really we should stick to 2 moves, signing a vet pg, and trading blounts expiring contract and maybe one other players for a solid SF... with a lineup of

chalmers/marburry
wade/cook
(wallace/ariza/artest)/jones
Beasley/Haslem
Oneal/Magloire

our team looks pretty good offensively and defensively, and not to mention plenty of youth and depth...

dont go moving players like beasley, or oneal unless we're getting great players in return.


What cracks me up is that everyone is complaining about the trade we made last season, when in reality it was an incredible trade for us. We gained a big man who got better as the season went on, produced... the only thing he didnt do amazingly well was rebound, he still did decent though. Its also funny to me that everyone is afraid of wade leaving. I mean really, people are freaking out about it.

I've asked this question many times and still have yet to see a response. Where is wade going to go? hes not going to cleveland... lebron is gonna stay there, thats pretty obvious. Is he gonna go to NY and play for a crappy team? that doesnt help him at all...it puts him in a worse ship than hes in now. is he gonna go to pheonix and play with amare? or toronto and play with bosh? i mean really? im not saying its impossible for him to leave, but what is the benefit to him as a player if he leaves?

I mean really here in miami he will have a max contract, 3 developing players looking to max great strides to be solid nba players and possible all-stars, and he has a team that will have money to sign another big name. The only reason i can see him leaving is to get the HELL away from spoelstra (lol jk), but really him leaving much like bryant leaving LA would be a huge mistake... look at kobe, he *****ed and moaned and essentially has the exact same team as before when he *****ed and moaned... except for gasol, give it time, and we will be JUST FINE!


also dont tell me that beasley and chalmers arent on the same level as guys like bynum and ariza and others because i think they are, they both had pretty good rookie years, i mean we went to the playoffs for god sakes, why is everyone looking at last year as a failure?

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Originally posted by FeelnTheHeat:

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Originally posted by TheReg23:

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Originally posted by FeelnTheHeat:
I think hes going to trade for Boozer and possibly sign AI for a year. Then the following season, AI is off the books for 2010.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/t...chine?tradeId=myu66t

We signed Cheap labor in Beverly to help out with the bench for when AI walks. AI would have to start for this season if we pick him up. I just hope that won't hurt Mario's production. I'm sure Spo will figure out a way to get them both minutes. Then again, look what happened in Detroit with Rip. That's the only thing im worried about.

im not sure why you think hes going to trade for boozer. I mean sure hes a great player, but we currently have beasley and haslem on the roster, and trading them for boozer isnt really the best idea. what we need and ive said this over and over again, is a small forward. someone like ariza, gerald wallace, ron artest, etc... if we can make this happen then the heats defense will improve tons. Along with grabbing ourselves another 3 point threat.

I dont think making a big move this offseason is the right idea. theres 2 possible scenarios...

#1 sign a FA to the VM, or MLE

#2 trade away our expiring contracts for a SF... i mean everyone except wade, chalmers, beasley, and oneal should be on the table. and only oneal if the right deal comes along.

some of you may wonder why, but really whats wrong with our team how it is... for now.

What were the main concerns from last year? Perimeter defense. A better offensive gameplan and more offense in the paint. If you trade away oneal and dont get back something good for him you lose a solid big man, both offensively and defensively. and you lose a 20 million dollar expiring contract.

so really we should stick to 2 moves, signing a vet pg, and trading blounts expiring contract and maybe one other players for a solid SF... with a lineup of

chalmers/marburry
wade/cook
(wallace/ariza/artest)/jones
Beasley/Haslem
Oneal/Magloire

our team looks pretty good offensively and defensively, and not to mention plenty of youth and depth...

dont go moving players like beasley, or oneal unless we're getting great players in return.


What cracks me up is that everyone is complaining about the trade we made last season, when in reality it was an incredible trade for us. We gained a big man who got better as the season went on, produced... the only thing he didnt do amazingly well was rebound, he still did decent though. Its also funny to me that everyone is afraid of wade leaving. I mean really, people are freaking out about it.

I've asked this question many times and still have yet to see a response. Where is wade going to go? hes not going to cleveland... lebron is gonna stay there, thats pretty obvious. Is he gonna go to NY and play for a crappy team? that doesnt help him at all...it puts him in a worse ship than hes in now. is he gonna go to pheonix and play with amare? or toronto and play with bosh? i mean really? im not saying its impossible for him to leave, but what is the benefit to him as a player if he leaves?

I mean really here in miami he will have a max contract, 3 developing players looking to max great strides to be solid nba players and possible all-stars, and he has a team that will have money to sign another big name. The only reason i can see him leaving is to get the HELL away from spoelstra (lol jk), but really him leaving much like bryant leaving LA would be a huge mistake... look at kobe, he *****ed and moaned and essentially has the exact same team as before when he *****ed and moaned... except for gasol, give it time, and we will be JUST FINE!


also dont tell me that beasley and chalmers arent on the same level as guys like bynum and ariza and others because i think they are, they both had pretty good rookie years, i mean we went to the playoffs for god sakes, why is everyone looking at last year as a failure?

It just seems fishy that Boozer opts out of his contract and Utah is ready to pull the trigger suddenly. We all know that Miami has been all about Boozer for the last couple seasons. Whether we like it or not, hes an upgrade at PF. I think our 3 spot is pretty solid with a healthy James Jones and Jamario Moon. If Beasley can make the transition, he can be a great PF/SF combo. We might loose AI to the grizzlies, hopefully not. I do agree we need a backup vet point guard. I just think Boozer will be the one that Pat will sign over Bosh or Amare because Boozer is showing much more interest from what we know since hes gone public about it then the other two. So basically, we will be signing someone who actually wants to play for Miami as well as chase the cash flow. It's all up in the air all we can do is wait and see what happens. Either way, next season will definitely not be a bust so we all just need to relax.

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Originally posted by EternalSageX:

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Originally posted by Ladz:

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Originally posted by 2Hot:
if Bosh becomes an FA and he is our ultimate target, where do you think he'd rather go? Join an already competitive championship team or a team that has made no improvements since 2006 and is built like a first round exit team?

This is what confuses me about certain posters as well. There are 29 other teams in the NBA fighting to sign players. What makes people think we have some magical ability to be able to point at players and have them sign with us automatically? Again, people are relying too much on chance when we can attempt to go out and make trades now and improve now. Its like having a broken leg and waiting a couple months before seeking medical attention.

That same token can be said about going out and making trades. Some teams may want to keep their young star players. I don't think every GM in the NBA is ******ed to be nothing more then bottom feeders.

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Originally posted by Heated:

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Originally posted by 2Hot:

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Originally posted by Heated:
Riley is not going to be pushed by the "what have you done for me lately" fans. With the anxiety going around on this board, if some of you guys were GMs, we would already be stuck with a bad trade. The inmates are trying to run the asylum!!!

NBA history is filled with teams who took a step back to step forward. This year mght just be that for us, and Wade needs to prepare himself for that possible eventuality.

I am a longterm Heat fan, so I do not expect my team to be at the top of the pile every year of their existence. As in every other professional sport where there is a cap, everything happens in cycles. This year may not be the year for us to be great (not that we will not compete), but it can setup a couple of great years for the Heat starting with next year.

Wade has to realize he is ahead of his class. Le Bron, Bosh, Melo, and the rest, are all trying to catch up. He has to trust the Heat plan, and that has to begin with him signing an extension. The options are clear; if he doesn't sign, we have to tread cautiously until next season when we can either sign him or replace him with 2nd tier talents.

Like I have said so far this summer, give me a decent vet PG for one year, and I will be happy. If we happen to miss the playoffs, so be it, we will have a high draft pick to go with our young players and capspace.

Wade would be selfish to expect us to take any other apporach.

I hope Riley isn't thinking like you. Wade is gone next year for sure if so. lol @ him being selfish for asking for help. Thats one thing I never understood about sports fans. If an organization is playing hardball its good they're looking out for their team. If a player is playing hardball he's a selfish dirtbag.

If Wade is gone next year because the Heat cannot swing a deal before 2010, then he is selfish, and can take his game elsewhere.

When you go to your parents and ask them for a new pair of shoes, I hope you know they can give you only what they can afford at that time. If they tell you to wait until they get their tax returns next April, and you decide that is too long to wait - then you need to check yourself!!!

Plus, I think many of you are making a lot more about what Wade is expecting Riley to do this summer than what Wade expects.

Bad analogy because I'm a grown asz man. I don't ask anybody to buy me anything.

If you want to continue with the analogy though, you might want to make it more accurate. Its more like a kid coming to their parents asking for food and the parents getting indignant about their kid asking and saying "money doesn't grow on trees!" when in reality, a responsible parent should have provided it in the first place. The kid shouldn't have even had to ask because it is something that is essential. The Cavs seem to get that and the Heat either don't or don't care.

And before you spout off some bs about LeBron needing to 'catch up' to anything, keep in mind that his FO has set him up so that he's not only competitive RIGHT NOW, but that they also have boatloads of capspace in 2010 just like we do to where they can make a splash as well. To put it in simple terms: we have no real advantages in the now or the future of the team that will be competing for signing the guy who we've built 2 yrs around the hopes of signing. Considering this, if Bosh becomes an FA and he is our ultimate target, where do you think he'd rather go? Join an already competitive championship team or a team that has made no improvements since 2006 and is built like a first round exit team?

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Originally posted by MrMiki:
Yes, Riley has a plan and it's pretty simple.

The plan is summer 2010. Plenty of money to work with. Plenty of FAs. Makes sense to me. Not to mention that summer will be better than this one in terms of talent available.

People need to calm the hell down, seriously. You guys are like Stan Van Gundy during crunch time = PANIC! =D

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Originally posted by MR-HEAT:
except for cleveland, all those teams have one thing in common. they get to the finals on a regular basis.

cleveland, like the heat, relied on one superstar to get them there, wade/ lebron. no matter how much anyone says it, neither the cavs nor the heat would EVER have made it to the finals without those guys.

your acting like riley is a genius that will build a team to get us to the finals even if wade isnt there.

Im not panicking, im wondering WTF is going on. When LA who just won a championship and had the perfect team is making a move to get even BETTER and we arent, then yes, there is a problem.

almost every team has made some type of great move whether by draft or trade.

washington-traded pick for miller/foye
cleveland- signed shaq
mavs- gortat
orlando- carter
Minnesota- draft
hawks-crawford
celtics- most likely rasheed wallace
LA- artest
houston- ariza
detroit- gordan villanueva
clippers- draft
spurs- trade
jersey- trade
memphis- AI
washington- marbury??


nearly half the league and its only been ONE WEEK. This is what is baffling about what riley is doing.

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Originally posted by TheHeat:
Typical fan in here:

OMG OMG OMG I'm panicking, we will not make the playoffs, OMG the world is gonna end if we don't make any changes no matter what it is. Yeah let's bring an Injured Elton Brand so Wade can see we kept him happy. OMG OMG OMG I'm panicking Wade is gonna leave.

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