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ill have another 40+ win season..and wait for 2010-2011 to go 60+ wins Smiler


I used to freak out when the Heat won against good teams, now I kinda like the tone
 
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Exactly, will people stop jumping off the clift because the Heat decides to take an approach that isn't wrong?

1, they can't offer anything outside their MLE and want to keep enough space so they can make sure they have the most amount when 2010 when the true Free agency happens.


2, when J.O and Moon is healthy. you don't think that combo isn't up there with Foye and Miller? Jefferson? outside VC, the heat's trade is up there
 
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You guys need to take it easy. I only see Orlando, Boston, Cleveland being better than us at this moment.


Orlando did not get better. If anything, Orlando got worse they might be the 5th seed this coming post season.


 
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except for cleveland, all those teams have one thing in common. they get to the finals on a regular basis.

cleveland, like the heat, relied on one superstar to get them there, wade/ lebron. no matter how much anyone says it, neither the cavs nor the heat would EVER have made it to the finals without those guys.

your acting like riley is a genius that will build a team to get us to the finals even if wade isnt there.

Im not panicking, im wondering WTF is going on. When LA who just won a championship and had the perfect team is making a move to get even BETTER and we arent, then yes, there is a problem.

almost every team has made some type of great move whether by draft or trade.

washington-traded pick for miller/foye
cleveland- signed shaq
mavs- gortat
orlando- carter
Minnesota- draft
hawks-crawford
celtics- most likely rasheed wallace
LA- artest
houston- ariza
detroit- gordan villanueva
clippers- draft
spurs- trade
jersey- trade
memphis- AI
washington- marbury??


nearly half the league and its only been ONE WEEK. This is what is baffling about what riley is doing.

Can we get 4th seed? Yes, Probably
Can we get 5th seed? Yes, Probably
Can we get 6th seed? Yes, Probably
Can we get 7th seed? Yes, Probably
Can we get 8th seed? Yes, Probably
Can we get our of the playoffs? Yes Probably.


And the only reason you can even say ANY of this is because we have Wade on this team. That is the ONLY reason any of this is probable. The ironic part is that by not making any improvements we are pissing off the one person who can give us not only success but overachieving success. The hell is the point in 2010 if Wade don't even want to stick around come that time? He and LeBron are literally the only players in the league that can do so much with so little. Even Kobe couldn't do what they do, look at the stacked asz team he had to have to win and compare it to the one Wade won with and the one LeBron got to the finals with. That is why we NEED Wade on this team unlike what you nonchalant idiots keep suggesting as if everything would be all good if Wade left and he's easily replaceable because we have cap space in 2010. Gtfoh.

If you think Joe Johnson and Bosh and Chandler or whatever other signings you think we can get in 2010 if we lose Wade will make us even as close to as much of a threat as we would be with Wade and just one of those guys, you are an idiot. Not to mention a huge selling point for any player to come here IS Wade in the first place anyway, so if he's gone we lose that appeal as well. Whether you think this team is fine as it is and want Wade gone so that this team can be left solely in the hands of your god Beasley is irrelevant. If you want whats good for this team, you should want Wade here and at the very least be open to doing what it takes to get him to stay here, period. I'm tired of you Beasley homers talking about we're all good if Wade walks because we have Beasley and cap space. We can't even get Beasley a spot in a team USA training camp how the fck is he a selling point to FAs?


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except for cleveland, all those teams have one thing in common. they get to the finals on a regular basis.

cleveland, like the heat, relied on one superstar to get them there, wade/ lebron. no matter how much anyone says it, neither the cavs nor the heat would EVER have made it to the finals without those guys.

your acting like riley is a genius that will build a team to get us to the finals even if wade isnt there.

Im not panicking, im wondering WTF is going on. When LA who just won a championship and had the perfect team is making a move to get even BETTER and we arent, then yes, there is a problem.

almost every team has made some type of great move whether by draft or trade.

washington-traded pick for miller/foye
cleveland- signed shaq
mavs- gortat
orlando- carter
Minnesota- draft
hawks-crawford
celtics- most likely rasheed wallace
LA- artest
houston- ariza
detroit- gordan villanueva
clippers- draft
spurs- trade
jersey- trade
memphis- AI
washington- marbury??


nearly half the league and its only been ONE WEEK. This is what is baffling about what riley is doing.

Can we get 4th seed? Yes, Probably
Can we get 5th seed? Yes, Probably
Can we get 6th seed? Yes, Probably
Can we get 7th seed? Yes, Probably
Can we get 8th seed? Yes, Probably
Can we get our of the playoffs? Yes Probably.


And the only reason you can even say ANY of this is because we have Wade on this team. That is the ONLY reason any of this is probable. The ironic part is that by not making any improvements we are pissing off the one person who can give us not only success but overachieving success. The hell is the point in 2010 if Wade don't even want to stick around come that time? He and LeBron are literally the only players in the league that can do so much with so little. Even Kobe couldn't do what they do, look at the stacked asz team he had to have to win and compare it to the one Wade won with and the one LeBron got to the finals with. That is why we NEED Wade on this team unlike what you nonchalant idiots keep suggesting as if everything would be all good if Wade left and he's easily replaceable because we have cap space in 2010. Gtfoh.

If you think Joe Johnson and Bosh and Chandler or whatever other signings you think we can get in 2010 if we lose Wade will make us even as close to as much of a threat as we would be with Wade and just one of those guys, you are an idiot. Not to mention a huge selling point for any player to come here IS Wade in the first place anyway, so if he's gone we lose that appeal as well. Whether you think this team is fine as it is and want Wade gone so that this team can be left solely in the hands of your god Beasley is irrelevant. If you want whats good for this team, you should want Wade here and at the very least be open to doing what it takes to get him to stay here, period. I'm tired of you Beasley homers talking about we're all good if Wade walks because we have Beasley and cap space. We can't even get Beasley a spot in a team USA training camp how the fck is he a selling point to FAs?


Beasley is better than almost all the players that were chosen to play for team USA, except Kevin Durant and Danny Granger because they have more experience so it is irrelevant to me the USA mini camp thing. They would not get pass the first round with that team. They don't have good PF which could be Beasley.

Glen Davis, Blake Griffin, Thaddeus Young, Paul Millsap, Kevin Love, Jeff Green.

Beasley> Glen Davis, Blake Griffin (hasn't even played one game in the NBA), Thaddeus Young, Paul Millsap, Kevin Love, Jeff Green.
 
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Beasley is better than almost all the players that were chosen to play for team USA, except Kevin Durant and Danny Granger because they have more experience so it is irrelevant to me the USA mini camp thing. They would not get pass the first round with that team. They don't have good PF which could be Beasley.

Glen Davis, Blake Griffin, Thaddeus Young, Paul Millsap, Kevin Love, Jeff Green.

Beasley> Glen Davis, Blake Griffin (hasn't even played one game in the NBA), Thaddeus Young, Paul Millsap, Kevin Love, Jeff Green.[/QUOTE]

Are kidding me? Beasley is not even a PF he's an undersized pf he's not really 6'10. that's why they are trying to move him to 3 spot. i totally agree with 2hot. are freakin serious letting wade go because we have beasley? and those A-list FA on 2010 will sign with us because of beasley? come on guys. I think its more appealing when wade with lebron/amare/bosh/or any other A-list Fa on one team. and if we let wade go and he signs with NYK which also have a lot of cap space and one of those FA signs with him i think a lot of player will wanna sign with them.
 
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Beasley is better than almost all the players that were chosen to play for team USA, except Kevin Durant and Danny Granger because they have more experience so it is irrelevant to me the USA mini camp thing. They would not get pass the first round with that team. They don't have good PF which could be Beasley.

Glen Davis, Blake Griffin, Thaddeus Young, Paul Millsap, Kevin Love, Jeff Green.

Beasley> Glen Davis, Blake Griffin (hasn't even played one game in the NBA), Thaddeus Young, Paul Millsap, Kevin Love, Jeff Green.


Are kidding me? Beasley is not even a PF he's an undersized pf he's not really 6'10. that's why they are trying to move him to 3 spot. i totally agree with 2hot. are freakin serious letting wade go because we have beasley? and those A-list FA on 2010 will sign with us because of beasley? come on guys. I think its more appealing when wade with lebron/amare/bosh/or any other A-list Fa on one team. and if we let wade go and he signs with NYK which also have a lot of cap space and one of those FA signs with him i think a lot of player will wanna sign with them.[/QUOTE]

That's why Paul Millsap is a PF and Haslem is a PF right??? Beasley is a combo guard you idiot.

Paul Millsap is 6'8" and he is a PF.
Haslem is 6'8" and he is a PF.
Beasley has more standing reach than Griffin and Griffin is a PF.
Thaddeus Young is 6'8" too.

wow you didn't know that?

Beasley has a better jumpshot and has a better range than all of them.

In Fact Beasley has the best Jumpshot out of all those players that were chosen to the mini camp except Mayo.

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except for cleveland, all those teams have one thing in common. they get to the finals on a regular basis.

cleveland, like the heat, relied on one superstar to get them there, wade/ lebron. no matter how much anyone says it, neither the cavs nor the heat would EVER have made it to the finals without those guys.

your acting like riley is a genius that will build a team to get us to the finals even if wade isnt there.

Im not panicking, im wondering WTF is going on. When LA who just won a championship and had the perfect team is making a move to get even BETTER and we arent, then yes, there is a problem.

almost every team has made some type of great move whether by draft or trade.

washington-traded pick for miller/foye
cleveland- signed shaq
mavs- gortat
orlando- carter
Minnesota- draft
hawks-crawford
celtics- most likely rasheed wallace
LA- artest
houston- ariza
detroit- gordan villanueva
clippers- draft
spurs- trade
jersey- trade
memphis- AI
washington- marbury??


nearly half the league and its only been ONE WEEK. This is what is baffling about what riley is doing.


WOW. They made incredible changes that are gonna make them contenders. WOW. How old are you?

-Cleveland got a little bit better with Shaq.
-Orlando got better with Carter, but they lost a lot of good players too.
-LA got Artest, well good improvement, but not that good if they lose Ariza and Odom. I remember Artest choking big time last year. With Kobe and Artest they will choke big time.
-Spurs got better.

Cleveland, Orlando, LA, and Spurs where the only teams that actually got better. They other team got decent trades. Mavs got Gortat, wow Great.

All I care about is the East conference because we won't play any western conference team unless it is in the Finals.

Orlando and Cleveland got better, but hey they were already better than us. All the other East team beside Orlando, Cleveland, and Boston will be fighting for the 4-8 position.

Can we get 4th seed? Yes, Probably
Can we get 5th seed? Yes, Probably
Can we get 6th seed? Yes, Probably
Can we get 7th seed? Yes, Probably
Can we get 8th seed? Yes, Probably
Can we get our of the playoffs? Yes Probably.

Nobody can see the future because there are too many factors.
For Example...If we were healthy we would have beaten the Hawks, We weren't healthy and we lost against the Hawks and we were better than the Haws. Look at what happened to Boston this year. Early playoffs exit because they had no Garnett.

You guys need to take it easy. I only see Orlando, Boston, Cleveland being better than us at this moment.



you were obviously dropped on your head repeatedly as a child.

the cavs signing of shaq was huge. last years team was a piece or 2 away from going to the finals and possibly winning. shaq is still a top 10 center in the league at his age. I dont think I can even name 10 centers better than shaq at this point in his career.

my point wasnt just about teams getting better, it was teams making the EFFORT to get better. we are just getting set up for 2010. if riley doesnt sign anyone for wade to play with next summer HE WILL LEAVE.

its a slap in the face to wade when every other teams front office is trying to improve their teams and hold on to their all star players and riley is just playing with his ***


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[b]That's why Paul Millsap is a PF and Haslem is a PF right??? Beasley is a combo guard you idiot.

Paul Millsap is 6'8" and he is a PF.
Haslem is 6'8" and he is a PF.
Beasley has more standing reach than Griffin and Griffin is a PF.
Thaddeus Young is 6'8" too.

wow you didn't know that?


"Yeah, and Dorell Wright is 6'9'' and he is a swingman..."

Who the hell said Beasley is a comboguard?! And the reason Haslem and Beasley is PFs at 6'8'' is their body. They are to slow, and/or not good enough shooters to be a SF (Beas might be, though). Thaddeus Young is a SG/SF at 6'8'' because he is fast and agile. He isnt a great shooter, but it all boils down to your style of play. I know JO would be much more valuable to us at PF, but right now, that would leave us with Anthony(6'9''), Blount(7') and JMag(6'11) at C. Plus it would take Haslem out of the equation, with Beasley, in my eyes being a better rebounder since he has a longer wingspan, and is way more athletic.

Id really like to see Beasley becoming faster, UD becoming stronger and more athletic, Dorell becoming stronger and healthier, and JO having a Wade-season after the TimGrover off-season.

I mean, its all unlikely, but if it would happen, then we wouldnt have to make as many changes as initially. = Haslem would be more able to contend with bigger PF's, JO would rebound again, we could have UD and Beas together on the floor with JO, and we would really benefit from that in the rebounding department. Wright would maybe actually contribute to on the court, rather than representin South Beach in his suit on the bench etc...

Then, after this season, we can see how it works out in 2010 free-agency. With us waiting for 2010, I'd rather have a 43-Win season, with a little more contributing to what we like to think of as our "key/role players" (whom most of didnt really do **** for us this year), than us becoming another Clippers with no chemistry, new guys coming in, and ripping the team apart like AI cracked up Motown.

Bottom line is... Common, lets keep it real. Wade aint leaving us if we show as little as commitment and direction to contending for a title in the coming years. As long as we are on the right track, I know he will wait 2 years for it. But he does need help, but not nessecerily by new guys coming in, but help in the men we already got. You see how UD and Wade brings it every day. If they dont, we end up raped with a L on our forehead. In Cleveland, if James has an off-night, they can still bring it home, as their role players (which are worse then ours, in my opinion) do their ROLE. And lets face it, Mo Williams wouldnt be an all-star if he didnt play with LeBron, and Gibson wouldnt get open enough to knock down the treys. Its not the star players, its the consistant players. BUT, with other superstars comes the advantage that lies in Boston. If KG and RayRay is off, The Truth and RR brings it home and vice versa.

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its a slap in the face to wade when every other teams front office is trying to improve their teams and hold on to their all star players and riley is just playing with his ***


Slap in the face? The **** you suggest we do? Sign Artest with our MLE? Or trade Beasley for some garbage? Or are you naive enough to think we can get Bosh now that Turk is going to the Raptors? Or naive enough to think we can get Amare when the deal Golden State has is STILL better than what we can give them even without Stephen Curry? Or are we magically going to be $20 million under the salary cap this season and we can go out and sign whoever we want?

Im tired of this incessant b*tching. You guys like we have a lot of trade pieces. Point them out to me. Please. Give us a deal that we can do.

Slap in the face.... pfft.


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[b]That's why Paul Millsap is a PF and Haslem is a PF right??? Beasley is a combo guard you idiot.

Paul Millsap is 6'8" and he is a PF.
Haslem is 6'8" and he is a PF.
Beasley has more standing reach than Griffin and Griffin is a PF.
Thaddeus Young is 6'8" too.

wow you didn't know that?


"Yeah, and Dorell Wright is 6'9'' and he is a swingman..."

Who the hell said Beasley is a comboguard?! And the reason Haslem and Beasley is PFs at 6'8'' is their body. They are to slow, and/or not good enough shooters to be a SF (Beas might be, though). Thaddeus Young is a SG/SF at 6'8'' because he is fast and agile. He isnt a great shooter, but it all boils down to your style of play. I know JO would be much more valuable to us at PF, but right now, that would leave us with Anthony(6'9''), Blount(7') and JMag(6'11) at C. Plus it would take Haslem out of the equation, with Beasley, in my eyes being a better rebounder since he has a longer wingspan, and is way more athletic.

Id really like to see Beasley becoming faster, UD becoming stronger and more athletic, Dorell becoming stronger and healthier, and JO having a Wade-season after the TimGrover off-season.

I mean, its all unlikely, but if it would happen, then we wouldnt have to make as many changes as initially. = Haslem would be more able to contend with bigger PF's, JO would rebound again, we could have UD and Beas together on the floor with JO, and we would really benefit from that in the rebounding department. Wright would maybe actually contribute to on the court, rather than representin South Beach in his suit on the bench etc...

Then, after this season, we can see how it works out in 2010 free-agency. With us waiting for 2010, I'd rather have a 43-Win season, with a little more contributing to what we like to think of as our "key/role players" (whom most of didnt really do **** for us this year), than us becoming another Clippers with no chemistry, new guys coming in, and ripping the team apart like AI cracked up Motown.

Bottom line is... Common, lets keep it real. Wade aint leaving us if we show as little as commitment and direction to contending for a title in the coming years. As long as we are on the right track, I know he will wait 2 years for it. But he does need help, but not nessecerily by new guys coming in, but help in the men we already got. You see how UD and Wade brings it every day. If they dont, we end up raped with a L on our forehead. In Cleveland, if James has an off-night, they can still bring it home, as their role players (which are worse then ours, in my opinion) do their ROLE. And lets face it, Mo Williams wouldnt be an all-star if he didnt play with LeBron, and Gibson wouldnt get open enough to knock down the treys. Its not the star players, its the consistant players. BUT, with other superstars comes the advantage that lies in Boston. If KG and RayRay is off, The Truth and RR brings it home and vice versa.

Wade needs help, but he aint needing no First Aid.


Excuse me???

Thaddeus Young is a PF. Just in case you don't know he was playing for Elton Brand. O the SF of the sixers goes by the name of Andre Iguodala.

Beasley could be a SF because of his jumpshot and he can improve speed and agility, but Thaddeus Young has an ugly jumpshot and a really inconsistent one.
 
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if Bosh becomes an FA and he is our ultimate target, where do you think he'd rather go? Join an already competitive championship team or a team that has made no improvements since 2006 and is built like a first round exit team?


Agree

This is what confuses me about certain posters as well. There are 29 other teams in the NBA fighting to sign players. What makes people think we have some magical ability to be able to point at players and have them sign with us automatically? Again, people are relying too much on chance when we can attempt to go out and make trades now and improve now. Its like having a broken leg and waiting a couple months before seeking medical attention.


I was thinking that to. Every time there is a trade suggestion, someone says "That will mess up our 2010 plan". Its not like Riley can go outside and say "Hey, You there sign a contract with me".


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exactly.

bosh is a question mark that wants to play with lebron most likely. lebron already said if he left he would most likely go to new york, not miami.

amare wants money and wants to be the man, he aint comin here.

realistically this leaves us with

mcgrady-broken
yao- broken
joe johnson- most likely will stay in atlanta
derek fisher- not leaving i can guarantee
michael redd- possible
chandler- possible
curry- i know you guys dont even want this dude
al harrington- not so great
pryzbilla- possible
okur- possible , but mediocre
boozer-most of you dont want him, very likely
haywood- mediocre , possible


the rest of the names werent great so i didnt add them , but your looking at 2010 right there.
besides bosh ,amare, yao, lebron, and johnson, no one is mind blowing.


i listed us possibly getting: chandler, redd,okur, pryzbilla,boozer,haywood

are ANY of those guys really worth waiting for??

we do need a big man, so your looking at chandler,pryzbilla,okur, and haywood.

chandler would work, but i think paul will lobby to keep him in NO.

pryzbilla, he is ok, not great , but would fit in nice in miami, i think we can get him.

okur- i like him, just not a great fit here. we need someone who bangs down low more than hangs around the perimeter shooting j's

haywood- great fit in miami, but has limited skills and is kind of inconsistent.


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