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Ahahaha! Another NBA upset in the making! They think the Heat are scared of the Celtics. Heck yes I'll take 8th seed and we are not the ones who will feel the pressure.I have faith in Wade, Marion,Beasley,Jones,Chalmers,Cook,Quinn,UD,Banks,and Wright. The Heat players have more experience than those of the ?Hawks and with Posey gone to New Orleans, the Celtics are now thinner on the clutch player division. Cleveland should be second seed I guess.. Sleepy But yes, I'd prefer to be the hunter than to be the hunted.
Really? Well good for you because I don't have faith in any of those cats but Wade and Haslem yet. You have faith in Chalmers and cook? Really?

I actually expected you to be the first person to disagree but you weren't here earlier since I knew your inputs are to always to challenge someone else which is good to keep the ship from floating than sinking if we all ride the same boat.My faith on Marion is based on his years playing in the league and playoff games with the Suns even though they always hit a road block.Beasley was born to score so he'll do that and that's why he is second overall pick.Jones also too have league experience.Chalmers hit that crucial shot in the NCAA Finals even if it was only college game range, it was still a nerve testing shot.Cook will prove himself this year because of the insults Riley did to him by shipping him to the lower D-League last season.The guy can obviously shoot when given the chance to play and he'll show that cause this is his bread and butter.Quinn is steady. The last three are so,so.
I'm not disagreeing with you to disagree with you. I'm disagreeing with you because I honestly disagree. I have faith in Wade obviously. Haslems no star but I know what I'm going to get from him in big moments. I don't have faith in a second round pick rookie point guard. Everyone here likes to drool over the Kansas shot and pretend it makes Chalmers clutch and ignore the fact that in previous years Kansas has put up some of the most embarassing tournament performances ever. What nerve did it take? He had to shoot it. I expect Beasley to be good but I can't say I have "faith" in someone whose what? 19? My lack of faith in Marion is based on his years in the league with the suns failing in every big moment possible. Fourth quarter. Game 5. '07 WC semis. Where was Marion? He's a great player but in a big situation I don't trust him at all. Jones? Who? You think us having a prayer at beating the Celtics has anything to do wit Jones and Chris freaking Quinn? Dorell Write? I like these guys but come on man! They're bench players! If Quinn, Write, Banks and Marion were good enough to help Wade take down the Celtics you'd think they would of atleast supported him enough to let him take them to the playoffs! Cook? He went to the dlague for a reason. That's all I'm saying. You claim he will get better because now he has a chip on his shoulder but I don't know if Cook is that mentally strong. (not that I'm saying hes not I'm just saying how can we asume he is)
gosh! sir.. y are you so negative about our teams chances?? yes i do belive we can make a big run at the playoffs..anything is possible..





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Ahahaha! Another NBA upset in the making! They think the Heat are scared of the Celtics. Heck yes I'll take 8th seed and we are not the ones who will feel the pressure.I have faith in Wade, Marion,Beasley,Jones,Chalmers,Cook,Quinn,UD,Banks,and Wright. The Heat players have more experience than those of the ?Hawks and with Posey gone to New Orleans, the Celtics are now thinner on the clutch player division. Cleveland should be second seed I guess.. Sleepy But yes, I'd prefer to be the hunter than to be the hunted.
Really? Well good for you because I don't have faith in any of those cats but Wade and Haslem yet. You have faith in Chalmers and cook? Really?

I actually expected you to be the first person to disagree but you weren't here earlier since I knew your inputs are to always to challenge someone else which is good to keep the ship from floating than sinking if we all ride the same boat.My faith on Marion is based on his years playing in the league and playoff games with the Suns even though they always hit a road block.Beasley was born to score so he'll do that and that's why he is second overall pick.Jones also too have league experience.Chalmers hit that crucial shot in the NCAA Finals even if it was only college game range, it was still a nerve testing shot.Cook will prove himself this year because of the insults Riley did to him by shipping him to the lower D-League last season.The guy can obviously shoot when given the chance to play and he'll show that cause this is his bread and butter.Quinn is steady. The last three are so,so.
I'm not disagreeing with you to disagree with you. I'm disagreeing with you because I honestly disagree. I have faith in Wade obviously. Haslems no star but I know what I'm going to get from him in big moments. I don't have faith in a second round pick rookie point guard. Everyone here likes to drool over the Kansas shot and pretend it makes Chalmers clutch and ignore the fact that in previous years Kansas has put up some of the most embarassing tournament performances ever. What nerve did it take? He had to shoot it. I expect Beasley to be good but I can't say I have "faith" in someone whose what? 19? My lack of faith in Marion is based on his years in the league with the suns failing in every big moment possible. Fourth quarter. Game 5. '07 WC semis. Where was Marion? He's a great player but in a big situation I don't trust him at all. Jones? Who? You think us having a prayer at beating the Celtics has anything to do wit Jones and Chris freaking Quinn? Dorell Write? I like these guys but come on man! They're bench players! If Quinn, Write, Banks and Marion were good enough to help Wade take down the Celtics you'd think they would of atleast supported him enough to let him take them to the playoffs! Cook? He went to the dlague for a reason. That's all I'm saying. You claim he will get better because now he has a chip on his shoulder but I don't know if Cook is that mentally strong. (not that I'm saying hes not I'm just saying how can we asume he is)
gosh! sir.. y are you so negative about our teams chances?? yes i do belive we can make a big run at the playoffs..anything is possible..
I think we can make the playoffs. In fact I have no doubts about it if Wade can play 75 games and is back to where he was in '07. If everything works how they way it should we should be a 5-7 seed. HOWEVER. If you are counting on Cook, Dorell, Marion, Chalmers, and Quinn against the Celtics good luck. Were talking about the same team that made Phill Jackson, Kobe, Derek Fisher, and Pau look silly.




 
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Well at least he has us seeded in the playoffs, other writers have us written off which obviously they dont kno crap about bball and just looked at our record. But If we can sign or trade for a decent center then I think we can be 5 or 6 in the East, anything to stay away from Boston in the 1st round.
You know the reason why espn predict the heat team as a playoff seed in the east was because they jump to the dwade bandwagon after his good performance at the olympics.


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First of all, I like how people are saying "This guy is a credible source" just because he has Miami in the playoffs. If he didn't, you guys would be cussing him out right now.

Anyway, I like his (or their) rankings, and what House said is true (About Philly)


However, one thing bothers me.

Everyone here always says "anything can happen" which i totally agree, and wouldn't be surprised it Wade absolutely decimated Boston or whoever in the first round, but the words "anything can happen" applies to both teams. Wade can go ballistic, or he can be shut down and have a few off nights. So think before writing Miami in the 2nd round.

Next, Boston is definitely thinner, but Detroit just got alot more turnover prone with the addition of Brown (Big Grin). Seriously, Boston can still beat Detroit, and Cleveland just got another scorer that could push them back into the ECF, Unless Philly or Orlando have something to say about it.

Philadelphia has a matchup advantage with anyone they play in the EC except for Orlando (3pt will kill them) and Toronto (O'Neal and Bosh vs Brand and Dalembert?) And really no one can match up WELL with LeBron James.

Either way, Philly, Orlando, and Boston are a lock in the 2nd round for me, and Cleveland too assuming they play the Wizards again Smiler.

I expect Joe D to pull a nice trade and break up the core right before the preseason starts. Orlando will take the 2nd spot, and Detroit will fall to maybe 4th, with Cleveland taking the Division.




 
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I think we will fly in under the radar and make the playoffs.
 
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I say at least 40 games and yeah espn is the only one who seemed to believe in thheat but they will show evrybody else what they can do


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We all know House is from Philly and yes they have great players on paper but how can one be so sure that they will have great team chemistry this coming season?




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We all know House is from Philly and yes they have great players on paper but how can one be so sure that they will have great team chemistry this coming season?


A. I'm not from Philly. I'm from central NJ on the outskirts of Philly territory. If I go literally 10 miles down the road, the majority of people are NY fans, which I happen to be, with the exception being the Miami Heat.

B. Being a mostly NY fan, I HATE Philly teams and their fans even more so. In case you were wondering, yes, they are just as bad as they are said to be. So for me to actually like this team means that I really, really have to like them.

C. While they do just look good on paper right now, they were a 40 win team without Brand. They won 62.5% of their final 32 games last year, without Brand. Just to let you know, 62.5% equals 51.25 over 82 games. So they were already playing like a 50 win team, without Brand. And I understand that they have to do it on the court, but the transition from being good on paper to good on the court is much easier when Andre Miller is your PG. That guy knows how to play basketball and he knows how to make those around him better. And while they may only look good on paper, I know for a fact they will be one of the best defensive teams in the league. Miller is solid and tough at PG. Iggy can play good D against the best perimeter scorers in the league (especially if he doesn't have to be the offensive cornerstone, which he won't). Brand averages 2.1 blocks and 10.2 boards for his career with lows of 1.6 blocks and 9.4 boards (excluding the 8.0 in boards he put up last year). Dalembert averaged 10.3 boads and 2.3 blocks last year (8.0 and 2.0 over his career). And it's not like Dalembert and Brand are just stiffs who get stats. They are big, long, quick, and agile. Easily 100% the best PF-C defensive combo in the league. Depending on where they decide to play Iggy, they're either going to have Green (another very good offensive player) starting at SG or Young (a very solid 20 year old [who I was praying to drop to the Heat last year]) starting at SF. Then look at their bench. Maybe you don't know these guys, but I do. A lot of teams were interested in Louis Williams, a high scoring combo guard. Reggie Evans is the perfect guy to come of the bench, bring energy, play great D, and mix it up a little. They've got Kareem Rush who even could end up starting because he's a great outside threat who plays defensive. Then they have Marreese Speights, a rookie PF that people are very high on (he dominated summer league). And finally, they have Royal Ivey and Theo Ratliff, 2 guys who are not bad to have at the bottom of your bench. And as I'm writing this, I see that they have just signed Donyell Marshall, giving them even more depth. They're a stacked team right now. Here's their Depth Chart:

PG: Miller, Williams, Ivey
SG: Green, Rush
SF: Iguodala, Young
PF: Brand, Evans, Speights, Marshall
C: Dalembert, Ratliff

This isn't a local bias. This is acknowledgement of a great team being built. Obviously, they have a weakness at making 3s. You know what though? They were already the worst shooting team from 3 last year, so its not like they're any worse than before. If anything, having Brand as one of the true low post scorers in the league is only going to help this team improve in that aspect. I'm going to love watching this team next season. This team is going to get so many transition buckets created on the defensive end it's not even funny. So doubt them all you want. You and the 40% of the voters who said that 47 wins is too high is going to look ridiculous. I actually can't wait to pull this thread out after you all realize just how silly it was to not recognize a team so well put together.


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Miami heat should be on best offseason moves awards




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And really no one can match up WELL with LeBron James.


I actually wouldn't mind a Heat-Cavs playoff series. I'll have Marion defend LeBron.
 
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Here's their Depth Chart:

PG: Miller, Williams, Ivey
SG: Green, Rush
SF: Iguodala, Young
PF: Brand, Evans, Speights, Marshall
C: Dalembert, Ratliff



I believe their starting 5 is like this:

Dalembert
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I agree that the Sixers barring any major injuries, should be a force to reckon with this coming season.
 
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yea that would be good, and i think marion would do pretty good compared to other defenders on lebron


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Here's their Depth Chart:

PG: Miller, Williams, Ivey
SG: Green, Rush
SF: Iguodala, Young
PF: Brand, Evans, Speights, Marshall
C: Dalembert, Ratliff



I believe their starting 5 is like this:

Dalembert
Brand
Young
Iguodala
Miller

I agree that the Sixers barring any major injuries, should be a force to reckon with this coming season.


I think so, too, but I also think they need someone other than Iggy as a perimeter scorer in the starting 5, which would be either Green or Williams. I like Young a lot and think he's better than both of them, but I think him starting puts Iggy out of position and doesn't mesh well with the other 4. Atleast offensively, defensively I think he gives them the best lineup.


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We all know House is from Philly and yes they have great players on paper but how can one be so sure that they will have great team chemistry this coming season?


A. I'm not from Philly. I'm from central NJ on the outskirts of Philly territory. If I go literally 10 miles down the road, the majority of people are NY fans, which I happen to be, with the exception being the Miami Heat.

B. Being a mostly NY fan, I HATE Philly teams and their fans even more so. In case you were wondering, yes, they are just as bad as they are said to be. So for me to actually like this team means that I really, really have to like them.

C. While they do just look good on paper right now, they were a 40 win team without Brand. They won 62.5% of their final 32 games last year, without Brand. Just to let you know, 62.5% equals 51.25 over 82 games. So they were already playing like a 50 win team, without Brand. And I understand that they have to do it on the court, but the transition from being good on paper to good on the court is much easier when Andre Miller is your PG. That guy knows how to play basketball and he knows how to make those around him better. And while they may only look good on paper, I know for a fact they will be one of the best defensive teams in the league. Miller is solid and tough at PG. Iggy can play good D against the best perimeter scorers in the league (especially if he doesn't have to be the offensive cornerstone, which he won't). Brand averages 2.1 blocks and 10.2 boards for his career with lows of 1.6 blocks and 9.4 boards (excluding the 8.0 in boards he put up last year). Dalembert averaged 10.3 boads and 2.3 blocks last year (8.0 and 2.0 over his career). And it's not like Dalembert and Brand are just stiffs who get stats. They are big, long, quick, and agile. Easily 100% the best PF-C defensive combo in the league. Depending on where they decide to play Iggy, they're either going to have Green (another very good offensive player) starting at SG or Young (a very solid 20 year old [who I was praying to drop to the Heat last year]) starting at SF. Then look at their bench. Maybe you don't know these guys, but I do. A lot of teams were interested in Louis Williams, a high scoring combo guard. Reggie Evans is the perfect guy to come of the bench, bring energy, play great D, and mix it up a little. They've got Kareem Rush who even could end up starting because he's a great outside threat who plays defensive. Then they have Marreese Speights, a rookie PF that people are very high on (he dominated summer league). And finally, they have Royal Ivey and Theo Ratliff, 2 guys who are not bad to have at the bottom of your bench. And as I'm writing this, I see that they have just signed Donyell Marshall, giving them even more depth. They're a stacked team right now. Here's their Depth Chart:

PG: Miller, Williams, Ivey
SG: Green, Rush
SF: Iguodala, Young
PF: Brand, Evans, Speights, Marshall
C: Dalembert, Ratliff

This isn't a local bias. This is acknowledgement of a great team being built. Obviously, they have a weakness at making 3s. You know what though? They were already the worst shooting team from 3 last year, so its not like they're any worse than before. If anything, having Brand as one of the true low post scorers in the league is only going to help this team improve in that aspect. I'm going to love watching this team next season. This team is going to get so many transition buckets created on the defensive end it's not even funny. So doubt them all you want. You and the 40% of the voters who said that 47 wins is too high is going to look ridiculous. I actually can't wait to pull this thread out after you all realize just how silly it was to not recognize a team so well put together.


Beautiful. Anyone who objects to Philly being top 3 in the East just got the reason why right there. You cannot say they are hugely imroved, and they were already a "suprise team" last eyar that gave the Pistons a minor scare. Now, they have added probably the best all around low post player in the league, and placed him in the East which lacks tons of big men who can give him trouble (KG, Sheed maybe, Dwight Howard,Bosh, Emeka Okafor-that about sums up who I think has a slight chance of stopping Elton Brand). I for one, am not in that 40%, and agree that no one else should be either!
 
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Ahahaha! Another NBA upset in the making! They think the Heat are scared of the Celtics. Heck yes I'll take 8th seed and we are not the ones who will feel the pressure.I have faith in Wade, Marion,Beasley,Jones,Chalmers,Cook,Quinn,UD,Banks,and Wright. The Heat players have more experience than those of the ?Hawks and with Posey gone to New Orleans, the Celtics are now thinner on the clutch player division. Cleveland should be second seed I guess.. Sleepy But yes, I'd prefer to be the hunter than to be the hunted.
Really? Well good for you because I don't have faith in any of those cats but Wade and Haslem yet. You have faith in Chalmers and cook? Really?

I actually expected you to be the first person to disagree but you weren't here earlier since I knew your inputs are to always to challenge someone else which is good to keep the ship from floating than sinking if we all ride the same boat.My faith on Marion is based on his years playing in the league and playoff games with the Suns even though they always hit a road block.Beasley was born to score so he'll do that and that's why he is second overall pick.Jones also too have league experience.Chalmers hit that crucial shot in the NCAA Finals even if it was only college game range, it was still a nerve testing shot.Cook will prove himself this year because of the insults Riley did to him by shipping him to the lower D-League last season.The guy can obviously shoot when given the chance to play and he'll show that cause this is his bread and butter.Quinn is steady. The last three are so,so.
I'm not disagreeing with you to disagree with you. I'm disagreeing with you because I honestly disagree. I have faith in Wade obviously. Haslems no star but I know what I'm going to get from him in big moments. I don't have faith in a second round pick rookie point guard. Everyone here likes to drool over the Kansas shot and pretend it makes Chalmers clutch and ignore the fact that in previous years Kansas has put up some of the most embarassing tournament performances ever. What nerve did it take? He had to shoot it. I expect Beasley to be good but I can't say I have "faith" in someone whose what? 19? My lack of faith in Marion is based on his years in the league with the suns failing in every big moment possible. Fourth quarter. Game 5. '07 WC semis. Where was Marion? He's a great player but in a big situation I don't trust him at all. Jones? Who? You think us having a prayer at beating the Celtics has anything to do wit Jones and Chris freaking Quinn? Dorell Write? I like these guys but come on man! They're bench players! If Quinn, Write, Banks and Marion were good enough to help Wade take down the Celtics you'd think they would of atleast supported him enough to let him take them to the playoffs! Cook? He went to the dlague for a reason. That's all I'm saying. You claim he will get better because now he has a chip on his shoulder but I don't know if Cook is that mentally strong. (not that I'm saying hes not I'm just saying how can we asume he is)
gosh! sir.. y are you so negative about our teams chances?? yes i do belive we can make a big run at the playoffs..anything is possible..


Good Lord! I just laughed so hard! yet another arrogant member saying heat&spurs4ever is a negative person. Lol this is funny! Karlo, H&S is anything but negative. Unless you consider the truth negative, in which case, he is very. He doesn't fill the forums with "Go HEAT, we kick *** no matter how good or bad we are!" am I sayign we cannot make the playoffs? Nope. But, do I agree with what he said? Absolutely.

Players you have faith in (or mentioned) and my analysis:

D.Wade- Have faith in him, DUH.
Shawn Marion- Dude's a beast. He's athletic, can score, defend, rebound, weak side defense..the whole shabang. However, you cannot deny the fact he does dissappear come playoff time. Always has. Always will..? I cant answer that. I can say that maybe he "disappeared" b/c he was unhappy with being option #3, and if he's being viewed as option #2 right now, maybe he'll show up. We can count on him all season, but I can't say I'll bet money on him being a huge factor in the playoffs. Be aware, I am a big Shawn Marion fan.
James Jones- Can light up downtown, can defend somewhat. He's a proven role player, whether as a starter or reserve. I believe he will help this team, but I'm not putting my faith in him to "lift" our franchise.
Micheal Beasley- College Stud. Thats it. Hopefully, he brings that to the NBA. I think he will, but I'm not expecting a 19 year old kid to help lead this organization anywhere huge. They did that to Durant in Oklahoma City...they hit the lottery, again. I'm expecting him to be good, but I cant just say "Beasley will 'lift us form the dust'," because I'd be lying
Mario Chalmers- Potential is huge just liek Beasley, but one shot doesnt prove hes "clutch", and a rise in numbers all 3 years in college is good, but in the NBA, he's facing legend PG Kidd, and young stars Williams, CP3, and proven guys like D.Fish. not to mention underrated fellows too.
Udonis Haslem-Will bring tough, silent leadership, and his usual underrated contributions to every game. And will show up in the playoffs.
Marucs Banks, Chris Quinn, D.Cook, Dorell Wright- like them all, but they're not "franchise leaders". They're all role players right now, and will be as long as they're with the HEAT. Bansk can start IMO, but he isn't the PG God or anything, he'll suffice.

To call heat&spurs negative, is foolish. He doesn't even reply, because he knows that what he said is not noly right, its looking at the whole picture.
 
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