if if we cant sign all 3 to max contracts great but lets assume lebron goes to New York. If we sign wade and amare or bosh aka a top tier player in the league to a max contract as well if we don't do changes to our roster like everyone is begging and bi#ching about we would be in great position to sign guys like nash manu to compliment wade bosh/amare .i believe there are many other real good stars available in 2010 im just to lazy to find the whole list sorry. Also if we don't trade beasley and chalmers by 2010 they will be developed and will already have had 2 nba seaons of experience playoff experience and be hungry for the championship on the other hand, If we do a lets say Richard Jefferson trade our 2010 dream to be able to sign bosh lebron wade would be ruined maybe we could sign wade but no bosh it would be stupid. Seriously think about it boozer??? jefferson a player that we could get right now do you think if we brought them to the Miami heat with the level of competition in the east right now we could seriously contend to be the conference champs??? just wait be patient and develop our young talent is what we should do like house said "riley stick to the the plan" all of you guys making posts every second about trade for this guy blah blah no offense its getting real annoying anyways just vented my frustration good night guys

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Originally posted by Juntoi:
Beside the Olympics, I would never want Wade and Lebron on the same team... beside looking forward to their competitive matchups, i just love hating him

That was actually exactly what I was thinking to myself as I read the original post.

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Originally posted by Nolio:
We could sign all 3 players, but it would depend on their willingness to lose a little money on their contracts. But given that Lebron and Wade have big endorsements outside of their NBA contracts, its not completely unlikely.

Atm, the luxury tax is about 70mil. Lets say its the same for 2010.

Mario has a team option of $847k, Beasley $4.9mil and cook $2.1mil. That's about $8mil between them. If Wade, Bosh and Bron sign contracts making their base year salary about 15mil each, then we'd have $53 million between the 6 of them with 9 roster spots to fill and 17 million to use. That's the only way it would work. So its not unreasonable, the thing is though, the Market for these guys is huge so it'll take a lot of things to go in Miami's favor starting with Cleveland going nowhere and Bosh having a very very miserable year.

I have the same view of Le Bron leaving Cleveland (if he doesn't win a championship this year), but I think Bosh is leaving regardless. Cold weather, high taxes, and a subpar team is enough reasons.

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Originally posted by oneyedsockmonkey:

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Originally posted by Juntoi:
Beside the Olympics, I would never want Wade and Lebron on the same team... beside looking forward to their competitive matchups, i just love hating him

That was actually exactly what I was thinking to myself as I read the original post.

As far as looking forward to the matchup, which only happens twice a year, how about enjoying watching our tri-stars (maybe quad-stars if you count Beasley), creating impossible matchups for all the other NBA teams each night.

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Originally posted by The Doug Movement:

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If my understanding of the NBA CBA is correct, none of these players, with 6 or fewer years in the NBA, will be able to get more than $15M in the first year of their contract, if the salary cap stands at about $60M in 2010.


In 2010, all three will have been in the NBA for over 6 years.



My math might be incorrect, but I think all 3 would have been in the NBA 6 six years next summer, and therefore in the category of 6 or fewer years.

Year 1: 2003-2004
Year 2: 2004-2005
Year 3: 2005-2006
Year 4: 2006-2007
Year 5: 2007-2008
Year 6: 2008-2009
Year 7: 2009-2010
Year 8: 2010-2011 (This is the year these players are available for free agency).

Yes, your math is incorrect.

If all three of these men were to play on the same team in 2010, the rest of the roster would need to be filled by volunteers.

Im sorry, but is this a serious question? There is NO WAY this is going to happen. Look at all the salaries you want and make all the speculations you want. Guys, seriously, this isnt going to happen.

The market is WAAAAAY too big for these guys and they are WAAAAY too smart to be talking about taking a contract that they basically already have. mon guys, stop being silly. We would be VERY VERY lucky to sign 2/3 of those guys but all three? Thats downright impossible...

Someone tried to use Boston as an example of it being possible. Thats a false example because those guys were traded for while they were in the middle of huge contracts they signed with other teams (Ray Allen & KG) - with the Cs now shopping Ray Allen...

I would rather see a Miami team,do something like this:

1. resign wade
2. sign bosh/amare/dirk/aldridge/
3. sign or trade pieces for 2nd Tier star or very solid player

THAT would be more feasible than speculation ways that wade, lebron AND bosh would sign to the same team...

GQ7 is right, no one will have the money to out right sign two superstars like Wade and Lebron. so seeing them on the same team. one has to be traded which will NEVER EVER HAPPEN. unless it's to the point the teams know they won't resign and want to get value

we need to start thinking of ways to sign role players and make a good team that way, not all stars.

wade
lebron
bosh

would be nice , but it wont happen. we need to duplicate the success of the 2004 detroit pistons. They had great players, but none were on the level of lebron or wade and they still won.

We need a TEAM. Not just a collection of great players. We also need a great coach. I dont have a problem with spo but he doesnt seem like he will become a phil jackson or pat riley type coach.

The only idea i see working long term is big dee's idea months ago.

b davis
wade
moon
beasley
kaman

they would take oneal and haslem because they are expiring and they are trying to dump kaman, and davis isnt working out with dunleavy anyways.

With that line up you have shooters, defenders, a big back court that would bully other teams back court. also, we have a legit big man and beasley can be a perimeter pf that would compliment him perfect.

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Originally posted by The Doug Movement:

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Originally posted by The Doug Movement:

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If my understanding of the NBA CBA is correct, none of these players, with 6 or fewer years in the NBA, will be able to get more than $15M in the first year of their contract, if the salary cap stands at about $60M in 2010.


In 2010, all three will have been in the NBA for over 6 years.



My math might be incorrect, but I think all 3 would have been in the NBA 6 six years next summer, and therefore in the category of 6 or fewer years.

Year 1: 2003-2004
Year 2: 2004-2005
Year 3: 2005-2006
Year 4: 2006-2007
Year 5: 2007-2008
Year 6: 2008-2009
Year 7: 2009-2010
Year 8: 2010-2011 (This is the year these players are available for free agency).

Yes, your math is incorrect.

If all three of these men were to play on the same team in 2010, the rest of the roster would need to be filled by volunteers.

Well I suppose that is what I get for being lazy. The NBA profiles for these players list them having 5 years pro experience, which is actually incorrect.

So the starting salary maybe a bit higher, but I suspect that all three of these guys (including Bosh if he is smart, seeing that he might be included in marketing opportunities as a result of playing with Wade and Le Bron), would take smaller salaries in the first year to pursue an amazing opportunity.

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would be nice , but it wont happen. we need to duplicate the success of the 2004 detroit pistons. They had great players, but none were on the level of lebron or wade and they still won.

In order to duplicate that, Wade would have to be traded. You can either have 1-2 superstars and role players or a bunch of good players. Chicago best exemplifies this.

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Originally posted by GQ7:
Im sorry, but is this a serious question? There is NO WAY this is going to happen. Look at all the salaries you want and make all the speculations you want. Guys, seriously, this isnt going to happen.

The market is WAAAAAY too big for these guys and they are WAAAAY too smart to be talking about taking a contract that they basically already have. mon guys, stop being silly. We would be VERY VERY lucky to sign 2/3 of those guys but all three? Thats downright impossible...

Someone tried to use Boston as an example of it being possible. Thats a false example because those guys were traded for while they were in the middle of huge contracts they signed with other teams (Ray Allen & KG) - with the Cs now shopping Ray Allen...

I would rather see a Miami team,do something like this:

1. resign wade
2. sign bosh/amare/dirk/aldridge/
3. sign or trade pieces for 2nd Tier star or very solid player

THAT would be more feasible than speculation ways that wade, lebron AND bosh would sign to the same team...

"The NBA, where the impossible happens"

When we gave Shaq $20M per year, no one believed anyone player was worth that much, but the Heat quickly sold out three year packages which I am sure covered their investment in Shaq, not to mention, bring a ring to South Florida.

Do you know there is a news article out today on RealGM indicating that Bosh and Le Bron plan to play together.

We have the cap space to make it happen, and if it should, I dont see us having a hard time filling out the roster with the remaining capspace and the exceptions (neither of which I would use this year). Plus teams have the option of using signing bonuses and incentives to lace the contracts, and Miami has no State tax, which should figure in the calculations.

As time goes one, maybe Miami decides to trade away one or more of these players, but it sure is worth taking the risk now. If we fail to sign them all and have to go in another direction, so be it, but for now, we should reach for the sky!!!

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Well I suppose that is what I get for being lazy. The NBA profiles for these players list them having 5 years pro experience, which is actually incorrect.

So the starting salary maybe a bit higher, but I suspect that all three of these guys (including Bosh if he is smart, seeing that he might be included in marketing opportunities as a result of playing with Wade and Le Bron), would take smaller salaries in the first year to pursue an amazing opportunity.

Each of those players is going to get $20 mil a year in 2010. The offers will absolutely be out there for them.

These guys all think they are good enough to win a ring regardless where they end up in 2010 (especially Wade and LeBron). So, what else could possibly convince them to take less money and a reduced role on a team?

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Originally posted by Heated:

"The NBA, where the impossible happens"

When we gave Shaq $20M per year, no one believed anyone player was worth that much, but the Heat quickly sold out three year packages which I am sure covered their investment in Shaq, not to mention, bring a ring to South Florida.

Do you know there is a news article out today on RealGM indicating that Bosh and Le Bron plan to play together.

We have the cap space to make it happen, and if it should, I dont see us having a hard time filling out the roster with the remaining capspace and the exceptions (neither of which I would use this year). Plus teams have the option of using signing bonuses and incentives to lace the contracts, and Miami has no State tax, which should figure in the calculations.

As time goes one, maybe Miami decides to trade away one or more of these players, but it sure is worth taking the risk now. If we fail to sign them all and have to go in another direction, so be it, but for now, we should reach for the sky!!!

Correction. This is the NBA: "Where MONEY FIRST Happens". The optimistic "Where Impossible Happens" phrase is only an illusion...

1. There are PLENTY of players who got bigger money and people knew they deserved every penny of it. When that trade was made for Shaq, I dont recall people scratching their heads asking "why?" But at the same time, we see what a NOW moves does for team that was on top 2 years and now 4 seasons later scrapping to get noticed as a mediocre team again...

2. Of course theres an article indicating "2010 Free Agent Star" A (LeBron) will play with "2010 Free Agent Star" B (Bosh). Didnt they have articles indicating "2010 Free Agent Star" A will play with "2010 Free Agent Star" C (Wade)? Didnt they have "2010 Free Agent Star" B will play with "2010 Free Agent Star" C? Articles mean nothing...Like I said, a team will be lucky enough to sign 2 out of the 3. But the chances of a team signing all three? You're delusional man...

3. We dont have the cap space to sign 3 players to a max contract deal. Are you kidding me? All three of those players FIRST YEAR will be around 19-20M per. With the cap set for 58M next year, and the 2010 cap not looking to be significantly higher than 60M, who in the world can we sign when we're already over the cap? Even if we signed Wade with Bird Rights, we'd be so far over the cap we'd be stuck with 3 stars surrounded by utter garbage D League/undrafted players. Say bye to Beasley, say bye to Chalmers and say hello to the likes of Chris Quinn and Golobovich filling out our roster...


4. Your idea for reaching for the sky, should be better labeled "dig your own grave". I doubt that the players involved would make such a senseless move to all try to sign max deals on the same team: forcing that team to literally blow up that roster and put scrub players around them so they can make the numbers fit...Im sorry man, but this idea isnt a rather good one. We'd be JUST fine going for two, keeping Beasley & Chalmers, grabbing a couple more solid pieces from FA and trades, win some championships, and still be able to be a serious team 5 years down the road.

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that will never happen

fa sho

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Originally posted by The Doug Movement:

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Well I suppose that is what I get for being lazy. The NBA profiles for these players list them having 5 years pro experience, which is actually incorrect.

So the starting salary maybe a bit higher, but I suspect that all three of these guys (including Bosh if he is smart, seeing that he might be included in marketing opportunities as a result of playing with Wade and Le Bron), would take smaller salaries in the first year to pursue an amazing opportunity.

Each of those players is going to get $20 mil a year in 2010. The offers will absolutely be out there for them.

These guys all think they are good enough to win a ring regardless where they end up in 2010 (especially Wade and LeBron). So, what else could possibly convince them to take less money and a reduced role on a team?

None of these guys are good enough to win a ring by themselves, and especially not against the stacked teams at the top, with high payrolls and top tier talent. Paying the luxury tax means nothing to these teams with their ticket and merchandise sales. Both Wade and Le Bron lamented the same sentiment at the end of the season, they do not want to be scoring 30+ every night in order for their teams to win.

Granted, it might not take getting all three players to win a championship, but it is surely worth a try going after as many as you can afford, as New York and New Jersey will be doing the same.