Not a chance.


I got a question for you all.

Lets say James wanted to play with Wade IN MIAMI. What would your reaction be if Wade took less money (say 16m) and James got the max (20M)? Would you keep hating on James?

Having 3 max deals on one team is not financially possible. GQ is right when he says the NBA is where money first happens. Wade, Bosh and Lebron will all get max offers in 2010, and they will all take them.

Wade is always going to be the #1 option on the Heat. Bosh may be willing to take a reduced roll, but he won’t take a reduced salary. And Lebron… he won’t take a reduced anything.

lol

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Originally posted by The Doug Movement:
Having 3 max deals on one team is not financially possible. GQ is right when he says the NBA is where money first happens. Wade, Bosh and Lebron will all get max offers in 2010, and they will all take them.

Wade is always going to be the #1 option on the Heat. Bosh may be willing to take a reduced roll, but he won’t take a reduced salary. And Lebron… he won’t take a reduced anything.

Lol agreed!

I think the only player driven by money in this trio, is Bosh. If he is a good business man, he will realize the tax savings in signing with Miami, and the huge marketing opportunities playing with Wade and Le Bron. Wade and Le Bron are driven to match the success of the greats, not their bank accounts. This will always require some financial sacrifice, as MJ often did for Chicago.

You guys really think this is impossible? lets see:

First we renounce the rights to all our free agents except Wade to free up some cap space. If not, part of their salary still counts against us.

Trade Cook and Jones for future picks in 2011

The starting salary for a player with 7-9 years of experience, is $11M or 30% of the cap. If the cap in 2010 stands at a modest $60M, the first year contract of a maximum salary would be $18M.

Wade would sign an extension, so his 2010 salry would be $17M

Signing Le Bron and Bosh (although I am not so sold on a max contract for Bosh unless it helps to bring Le Bron here) to max contracts. $36M

Keep Beasley $5M and Chalmbers $1M

Split the MLE for 2 players

Sign at least 2-3 veteran minimum players (Shaq would be one, if he has any sense, and many others would take the drop even for one year)

Fill out the roster with 3 minimum salary players (who cares, we never use more than a 7-9 man rotation anyway)


I am not saying this will happen, but it is certainly a possibility. For some perspective from the 2009 NBA Final teams:

The Lakers top 3 player salaries in 2010 will total $56M and that does not include a resigned Odom

The Magic top 3 player salaries in 2010 will total $54M and that does not include a resigned Turkolou

The proposed Heat plan above would have our top 3 players earning a total of $53M

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I think the only player driven by money in this trio, is Bosh. If he is a good business man, he will realize the tax savings in signing with Miami, and the huge marketing opportunities playing with Wade and Le Bron. Wade and Le Bron are driven to match the success of the greats, not their bank accounts. This will always require some financial sacrifice, as MJ often did for Chicago.

You guys really think this is impossible? lets see:

First we renounce the rights to all our free agents except Wade to free up some cap space. If not, part of their salary still counts against us.

Trade Cook and Jones for future picks in 2011

The starting salary for a player with 7-9 years of experience, is $11M or 30% of the cap. If the cap in 2010 stands at a modest $60M, the first year contract of a maximum salary would be $18M.

Wade would sign an extension, so his 2010 salry would be $17M

Signing Le Bron and Bosh (although I am not so sold on a max contract for Bosh unless it helps to bring Le Bron here) to max contracts. $36M

Keep Beasley $5M and Chalmbers $1M

Split the MLE for 2 players

Sign at least 2-3 veteran minimum players (Shaq would be one, if he has any sense, and many others would take the drop even for one year)

Fill out the roster with 3 minimum salary players (who cares, we never use more than a 7-9 man rotation anyway)


I am not saying this will happen, but it is certainly a possibility. For some perspective from the 2009 NBA Final teams:

The Lakers top 3 player salaries in 2010 will total $56M and that does not include a resigned Odom

The Magic top 3 player salaries in 2010 will total $54M and that does not include a resigned Turkolou

The proposed Heat plan above would have our top 3 players earning a total of $53M

Dude, honestly, all three of these players are just as money driven as the rest. This should be Wade, Bosh, and Bron’s biggest contracts of their careers. They will not leave a single penny on the table. Not one single penny. Each of them will sign to a max deal and Lebron James will NEVER play for the Miami Heat.

The Lakers and Magic have Bird Right’s for nearly all of their players, so they can exceed the cap more freely; where as we would only have Bird Right’s for Wade. 3 max deals = 60 million dollars. We would have to fill the rest of the roster with the Heat X-Treme Team. I mean hell, Chris Quinn would have to take a pay cut to play for us with that roster.

Your proposed plan may work in your head, but it doesn’t work in the heads of Wade, Bosh, and Bron… that’s for damn sure.

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Originally posted by The Doug Movement:

quote:

I think the only player driven by money in this trio, is Bosh. If he is a good business man, he will realize the tax savings in signing with Miami, and the huge marketing opportunities playing with Wade and Le Bron. Wade and Le Bron are driven to match the success of the greats, not their bank accounts. This will always require some financial sacrifice, as MJ often did for Chicago.

You guys really think this is impossible? lets see:

First we renounce the rights to all our free agents except Wade to free up some cap space. If not, part of their salary still counts against us.

Trade Cook and Jones for future picks in 2011

The starting salary for a player with 7-9 years of experience, is $11M or 30% of the cap. If the cap in 2010 stands at a modest $60M, the first year contract of a maximum salary would be $18M.

Wade would sign an extension, so his 2010 salry would be $17M

Signing Le Bron and Bosh (although I am not so sold on a max contract for Bosh unless it helps to bring Le Bron here) to max contracts. $36M

Keep Beasley $5M and Chalmbers $1M

Split the MLE for 2 players

Sign at least 2-3 veteran minimum players (Shaq would be one, if he has any sense, and many others would take the drop even for one year)

Fill out the roster with 3 minimum salary players (who cares, we never use more than a 7-9 man rotation anyway)


I am not saying this will happen, but it is certainly a possibility. For some perspective from the 2009 NBA Final teams:

The Lakers top 3 player salaries in 2010 will total $56M and that does not include a resigned Odom

The Magic top 3 player salaries in 2010 will total $54M and that does not include a resigned Turkolou

The proposed Heat plan above would have our top 3 players earning a total of $53M

Dude, honestly, all three of these players are just as money driven as the rest. This should be Wade, Bosh, and Bron’s biggest contracts of their careers. They will not leave a single penny on the table. Not one single penny. Each of them will sign to a max deal and Lebron James will NEVER play for the Miami Heat.

The Lakers and Magic have Bird Right’s for nearly all of their players, so they can exceed the cap more freely; where as we would only have Bird Right’s for Wade. 3 max deals = 60 million dollars. We would have to fill the rest of the roster with the Heat X-Treme Team. I mean hell, Chris Quinn would have to take a pay cut to play for us with that roster.

Your proposed plan may work in your head, but it doesn’t work in the heads of Wade, Bosh, and Bron… that’s for damn sure.

Time will tell. All I know is that NY and NJ plan to put themselves on the map next year, and the only team positioned to challenge them in that regard is Miami. If Le Bron and Bosh tie their futures together, we would be foolish to simply sit on the sidelines without making a serious effort to sign them.

I am yet to hear either Le Bron or Wade place an emphasis on a maximum contract. Like MJ, these guys are making a bundle off the court. Creating a dynasty similar to MJ has to be the foremost thing on their minds. 2010 will possibly be the only chance these guys have to forge their futures together, so I just dont see Wade or Le Bron making this strictly about money.

I will leave you with this thought; if you were to ask Wade and Le Bron which of the two they would prefer, an extra $30M in the bank, or a realistic chance to win a couple of rings. I would bet you, these two guys, would go for the chance to win a couple of rings.

im sure that lebron would want to win but were going to go after wade no matter what even if we have to pay him 2 max salaries lol 40 mill a year which we wont but after we sign wade for 20 mill we are going to go after bosh and amare if we cant get those then we go for lebron hes the third option

OK, so we’ve already established that Bosh wants a max deal, but just in case, here is proof:
http://www.scoresreport.com/20...sh-wants-a-max-deal/


Now, lets move on to Lebron:

As you said in your first post, all three of these guys currently have the same contract. You suggested reasoning behind this move was:

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If neither wins a championship in 2009-2010, I believe they will be very interested in joining forces in 2010 on an Eastern team.

However, I tend to sway more toward ESPN’s reasoning behind the move (from 2006):

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By the summer of 2010, James will be a seven-year veteran with the option of seeking a new contract as an unrestricted free agent, making him eligible to negotiate a maximum contract worth 30 percent of the salary cap. Players with less than seven years experience can earn only 25 percent of the cap.

"LeBron looked at this very deeply and understood the complexity of what the situation was," his agent, Leon Rose, said in an interview on the Cavaliers' Web site. "In the end, this works out very well for him and puts him in a position to accomplish all of his goals, both on the court and off."

A shorter deal made more sense because of the league's collective bargaining agreement, James said.

"We did extensive research and with the way the CBA is set up, it makes the most business sense to sign this extension and then look at another new contract in four years," James said.

(Source: http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2516896)


Lastly, let’s talk about Wade:

Here is what ESPN reported, in 2006, on Wade after he signed the same extension that Lebron signed:

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It was widely reported in recent days that Wade agreed to sign a five-year extension with the Heat, but no such pact was ever in place. Instead, this deal gives Wade the chance to secure another long-term extension before the NBA's current collective bargaining agreement expires …

Wade said he, James and Carmelo Anthony of the Denver Nuggets -- three of the top five picks in the 2003 draft class -- all talked about their extensions and weighed the differences between taking the three-year-with-an-option offer as opposed to the straight five-year pacts they were all eligible to receive.

But Wade insisted that James' deal with Cleveland did not sway him in his own decision-making process.

"I never got the impression, and they never really pushed in the negotiations, for Dwyane to accept the longer-term deal," said Henry Thomas, Wade's agent. "I think Pat was very understanding of the position that Dwyane took. From a business standpoint, he understood the interest in Dwyane having flexibility."

(Source: http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2516735)

So Wade signed a shorter extension because it was better for him “from a business standpoint”. The term business standpoint means its better for Wade financially, not that it’s a better way for him to win championships. It’s the same term Leon Rose used to describe why James signed the shorter deal, saying it makes the most "business sense". Face it man, just like Bosh and Lebron, Wade made this whole thing about getting a max deal way back in 2006.

celtics have the big 3 becuase ALLEN isnt payed max salarie

quote:

Originally posted by The Doug Movement:
OK, so we’ve already established that Bosh wants a max deal, but just in case, here is proof:
http://www.scoresreport.com/20...sh-wants-a-max-deal/


Now, lets move on to Lebron:

As you said in your first post, all three of these guys currently have the same contract. You suggested reasoning behind this move was:

quote:

If neither wins a championship in 2009-2010, I believe they will be very interested in joining forces in 2010 on an Eastern team.

However, I tend to sway more toward ESPN’s reasoning behind the move (from 2006):

quote:

By the summer of 2010, James will be a seven-year veteran with the option of seeking a new contract as an unrestricted free agent, making him eligible to negotiate a maximum contract worth 30 percent of the salary cap. Players with less than seven years experience can earn only 25 percent of the cap.

"LeBron looked at this very deeply and understood the complexity of what the situation was," his agent, Leon Rose, said in an interview on the Cavaliers' Web site. "In the end, this works out very well for him and puts him in a position to accomplish all of his goals, both on the court and off."

A shorter deal made more sense because of the league's collective bargaining agreement, James said.

"We did extensive research and with the way the CBA is set up, it makes the most business sense to sign this extension and then look at another new contract in four years," James said.

(Source: http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2516896)


Lastly, let’s talk about Wade:

Here is what ESPN reported, in 2006, on Wade after he signed the same extension that Lebron signed:

quote:

It was widely reported in recent days that Wade agreed to sign a five-year extension with the Heat, but no such pact was ever in place. Instead, this deal gives Wade the chance to secure another long-term extension before the NBA's current collective bargaining agreement expires …

Wade said he, James and Carmelo Anthony of the Denver Nuggets -- three of the top five picks in the 2003 draft class -- all talked about their extensions and weighed the differences between taking the three-year-with-an-option offer as opposed to the straight five-year pacts they were all eligible to receive.

But Wade insisted that James' deal with Cleveland did not sway him in his own decision-making process.

"I never got the impression, and they never really pushed in the negotiations, for Dwyane to accept the longer-term deal," said Henry Thomas, Wade's agent. "I think Pat was very understanding of the position that Dwyane took. From a business standpoint, he understood the interest in Dwyane having flexibility."

(Source: http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2516735)

So Wade signed a shorter extension because it was better for him “from a business standpoint”. The term business standpoint means its better for Wade financially, not that it’s a better way for him to win championships. It’s the same term Leon Rose used to describe why James signed the shorter deal, saying it makes the most "business sense". Face it man, just like Bosh and Lebron, Wade made this whole thing about getting a max deal way back in 2006.

If Wade and Co. were solely concerned about securing the most money while they were healthy, they would have signed a 5 year extension. The more interesting aspect of those negotiations, is the fact that all 3 players signed the exact same contract. Whether spoken or not, all 3 of these players are leaving open the option of playing together in 2010.

Which is 100 percent impossible unless they all take good paycuts. I think people here are making to much out of a big deal about Wade.

If he resigns, great if not. He has already said Miami is his number one choice. If its clear he won't then trade him. *shrug* simple

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Originally posted by Heated:

If Wade and Co. were solely concerned about securing the most money while they were healthy, they would have signed a 5 year extension. The more interesting aspect of those negotiations, is the fact that all 3 players signed the exact same contract. Whether spoken or not, all 3 of these players are leaving open the option of playing together in 2010.

You still dont get it. CMON MAN! Dont you see the deal they signed 3 years ago SHOWS EXACTLY that they are looking to get the most money possible while still evaluating their situations teamwise? Those players have those similar deals because (1.) They'll get the next tier contract out of their rookie contracts (2.) It was just enough years (three years) that would put them in position to get the absolute max contract once they hit FA (3.) It gave them position to compete on their teams and have the ability to explore other options should their perspective teams arent fitting the bill. It was a SMART BUSINESS MOVE for all players, not some "Plan" for all to get on the same team (Even Melo was going to sign that same deal, but he went with the 5yr extension for the security: there were rumors of him being traded at that time).

Once again, I would actually agree with you if your claim was for 2 of the 3 players to land on the same team; THATS ALMOST EXPECTED. But there is NO POSSIBLE way all three could: I mean, after all the facts and figures people have showed you, you STILL believe a team would even ATTEMPT to give 3 players max deals and still manage to build a good team around them? Cmon dude, put the pipe down...Wade, LeBron, & Bosh made smart business moves in allowing them to go through the next contract tier in minimum years and go straight for the max contract TWO YEARS EARLIER - unlike Melo who made a rather unwise move by having to go ALL THE WAY THROUGH his second tier contract before he can get his max. So yeah, it IS ABOUT MONEY.

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You still dont get it. CMON MAN! Dont you see the deal they signed 3 years ago SHOWS EXACTLY that they are looking to get the most money possible while still evaluating their situations teamwise? Those players have those similar deals because (1.) They'll get the next tier contract out of their rookie contracts (2.) It was just enough years (three years) that would put them in position to get the absolute max contract once they hit FA (3.) It gave them position to compete on their teams and have the ability to explore other options should their perspective teams arent fitting the bill. It was a SMART BUSINESS MOVE for all players, not some "Plan" for all to get on the same team (Even Melo was going to sign that same deal, but he went with the 5yr extension for the security: there were rumors of him being traded at that time).

Once again, I would actually agree with you if your claim was for 2 of the 3 players to land on the same team; THATS ALMOST EXPECTED. But there is NO POSSIBLE way all three could: I mean, after all the facts and figures people have showed you, you STILL believe a team would even ATTEMPT to give 3 players max deals and still manage to build a good team around them? Cmon dude, put the pipe down...Wade, LeBron, & Bosh made smart business moves in allowing them to go through the next contract tier in minimum years and go straight for the max contract TWO YEARS EARLIER - unlike Melo who made a rather unwise move by having to go ALL THE WAY THROUGH his second tier contract before he can get his max. So yeah, it IS ABOUT MONEY.

Exactly... Melo went with the 5 year deal and, until that 5 years is over, he will make less money then Bosh, Wade, and Bron after 2010. This is the exact same thing Tim Duncan did in San Antonio.