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Yeah when I think of Kobe I don't remember the legendary Blazer comeback or all those gamewinners or 81, I remember how he played in his first finals appearence!

You're probably the only person that remembers Kobe more for what he did against the Pacers, rather than his 81 point game. The Lakers were never challenged in the finals during the three peat, and as a result, none of the finals were truly memorable. You can take a poll on any Lakers site and ask the fans which performance was more memorable, (after all this is what your arguing right? Your not saying which performance was more significant, your saying which performance people will remember them by) the 81 point game or his finals games vs the Pacers, and I'm willing to bet that the 81 point game will easily garner more votes. You're exaggerating your argument with the whole finals is the only thing fans will remember you by angle. The finals are only memorable if the players make it that way. The 81 point game is arguably the most memorable event in Kobe's career thus far, and your suggesting his finals appearance vs the Pacers was more memorable. That's the most anemic argument I have ever heard. If indeed you're not bsing yourself, and the Pacer series was what you ultimately remember Kobe by, you're on your own with that, because you're definitely not speaking for his fans, much less the general public.

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Um, they have been one of the top 2 teams in league for the last 2 years. The year they went to the finals they swept memphis, defeated the spurs and the suns, 2 of the best teams in the west. They won the first 2 games and the second game, they blew out the heat. After that, The plans for the championship parade started and it looked like nothing would stop them from actually doing the parade. After all this, I have not seen one ounce of mentally weakness that you're talking about. Moving on, after the series switched to miami, wade took over and THEN, it looked like the mavs were getting a little scared. They still wouldn't give in saying stupid remarks how wade couldn't beat them from the floor rather than going to the basket because he didn't have no mid-range jumpshot. Wade answered my becoming beast on the floor rarely missing a jump shot. Then, the series went back to Dallas, and wade helped the heat finish them off. Wade made history while doing so, and also getting himself the finals mvp. Now to my point, The mavs were not mentally fragile at all before game 3 of the finals, actually, they had a mean swagger to them after their playoff run and the first 2 games of the finals. WADE MADE THEM MENTALLY FRAGILE. Enough said, he and the heat took the title from their hands and made it theirs in a very impressive way by beating them 4 games in a row becoming only the 3rd team in history to win the finals after being down 2-0 in the series. Give credit where is due.

The Mavs being one of the best regular season teams over the past two seasons doesn't mean they are not mentally fragile.

Why mention that they beat Memphis in the playoffs? Why mention that they beat a Phoenix Suns team in the playoffs without Amare Stoudemire or Kurt Thomas.

There one crowning acheivement was beating the Spurs IN THE SECOND ROUND.

None of that means they aren't mentally fragile.

Wade played great in the NBA Finals against the Mavs. But, no way in hell was he the reason they are mentally fragile. They were already that way.

And, if you want to point to anything that was one of the main causes of their mental fragility, it wasn't Dwyane Wade. It was the officials in the NBA Finals.

2006 NBA Finals Dwyane Wade stats:

Gms 1 and 2: 12 free throw attempts / gm and 38.6% FG shooting

Gms 3-6: 18.25 free throw attempts / 50.5% FG shooting

Don't give me that b.s. about how Wade made them fragile. Wade was great. But, it was the officiating and the Mavs inability to play through the officiating that made that team's collective brain into mush soup.

Enough said?

Mavs had never been to the Finals before 2006. Shaq had been there 5 times. Riley 4 or 5 times as well. Gary Payton had been there. The Mavs were not a juggernaut. They were a very good team that didn't know what they were getting into. And, now you want to prop them up like they've been doing something when you were probably one of those fans that laughed and called them chokers when they lost to Golden State.

The Heat won the championship. I won't take anything away from them being champions. But, there's no way in hell you compare them beating that Mavs team to playing against a multiple NBA championship team like the Spurs. NO WAY.

LMAO ! you talk about me not giving Lebron credit. Yet, I never see you give wade credit. Why you bringing the referees into this? HA! are you sure you not a mavs fan on the low? hahaha, you just lost all credibility you thought you had there if you saying the mavs got fvcked by the referees instead of wade making them fragile. WADE OWNED THE MAVS. Dont you understand this? Come on say it with me, W A D E O W N E D T H E M A V S. Wade led the heat in points and rebounds in the same game on games 2 and 3, Led the heat in points and asssits in the same game in game 1 and 5 along jason williams and led the heat in points in every game. That is owning a team my friend, here and in china. Stop trying to deny it, you're looking stupid. Also, why you downgrading the win they had against the suns? Many of you give props to nash and that team saying how they were a great team and went so long without him, yet, now u say they lost because they didnt have amare? LMFAO. what a joke.

You deny that the mavs are soft mentally fragile chokers yet you call Lebron one. Lets forget about the refferees and all that BS how come you don't call the mavs chokers when they blew a 2-0 lead in the finals and lost to the golden state freaking warriors in the first round. The same Warriors that got beat by the J***! How is any choking you think Lebron has done on par with that? No one in their right mind even expected cleavland to be in the finals! You say wade owned the mavs and the mavs didn't choke well why is it so hard for you to believe the best defensive team of this decade owned Lebron? You know that Bruce Bowen fellow is a pretty good defender right? And having Tim Duncan in the middle helps to. Lebron didn't choke because he never had anything to choke on.

lmao. bowen owned lebron? dude, are you serious? how many times I have to say this, HE WOULD LEAVE LEBRON WIDE OPEN TO SHOOT THE JUMPERS, WIDE OPEN, AND HE STILL WOULDN'T KNOCK THEM DOWN. One of best defender in the league would do that. Why would he do that? He knew he wouldn't shoot 'em, that's why, he was shooting bricks. Leaving your opponent wide open is not owning them, it's embarrassing them and letting them choke. Wade would get double or even triple teamed by the mavs, yet he still came through, that's owning. In a way, also, you can say that owning someone means the other team choked. But this time, it was more of wade stealing the championship from their hands and made it his and the heat's.

We must of been watching diifferent games because the one I saw Bowen was bodying up Lebron like crazy and everytime Lebron managed to get by Bowen he had to face Tim Duncan in the middle. The rest of the cavs team wasn't even payed attention to. Wade got tripple teamed? Dude if wade got tripple teamed every time he had the ball Shaq would of played far better then he did. Shaq was sufficated that's why he played so awful. If wade was getting tripple teamed I bet that Shaq fellow would be able to get 20 points on Dip and Dampier! And it's funny how yo tailor you aguments as you go to fit w/e BS your trying to spread. I think keeping one of the best scorers shooting the way Lebron shot was owning. Wade stole the trophy from the mavs? Well Lebron never had the trophy to get stolen. The cavs lost 4-0 Lebron didn't give up a 2-0 lead. The Mavs aren't chokers even though they gave up a 2-0 lead inthe finals and lost to the Eighth seeded warrior next year? Yeah I saw you still don't want to adress that in your post huh? Don't want to talk about how those mentally strong Mavs lost to a team that barly made the damn playoff and let Baron Davis do the same exact thing Wade did to them. I see a pattern. Loosing to a eighth seed after giving up a 2-0 lead..... That makes you a cho.....
You act like Lebron was the only player to stink it up in the finals. Gotta love selective memory. Lets forget about how in Kobes first finals appearence he averaged 15 ppg on 36% shooting. Yeah when I think of Kobe I don't remember the legendary Blazer comeback or all those gamewinners or 81, I remember how he played in his first finals appearence! Oh and he didn't help stop Reggie very much either! Miller averaged 25 PPG on 48 percent shooting (both above his season averages).

Mr bigshot chauncy! He has finals MVP and a ring! He can't choke right! Oh wait... 3-8 shooting (0-3 from three) in game 7 of a NBA finals! CLUTCH!
Magic Johnson! From Basketbawful.com "5. Magic Johnson: Most NBA historians feel like the Lakers should have won the 1984 NBA Finals. In fact, they could have swept the series...had it not been for Magic Johnson. The Lakers had a chance to win Game 2 in regulation, but the Lakers didn't get a shot off because Magic dribbled out the clock. He then threw the ball -- and any chance at victory -- away twice at the end of the overtime session. In Game 4, he missed two freethrows that would have given the Lakers the lead. On the Celtics very next possession, Bird posted Johnson up and drained the go-ahead basket over Magic's outstretched hands. Instead of winning the series 4-0, the Lakers lost it 4-3. Johnson was so depressed afterward that Kevin McHale started calling him "Tragic Johnson.""
In the '85 finals deciding game Larry Legend shot 12-28! John Starks... You already know.

LOL @ the "lebron never had the trophy to get stole" yeah I guess wade did.

Wade didn't get double or face three guys when he went to the line? LOL!. Just look at big dee's signature picture, OH and yeah, that was supposed to be one of the "ghost fouls". -shakes head. The mavs were not a fragile team at all before they came to miami and lost 3 straight, for the most part, courtesy of wade. The mavs were more mentally fragile against the warriors than they against the heat. When they faced the heat, the mavs owned the heat during the regular season, and not just last year, for the past 2 years or so. On the other hand, the warriors have always had dallas number. They owned the mavs during the regular season last year, and for the year before also. They had a losing record against them. They've never had a losing record against the heat until the finals. Is it that the warriors just always outplayed them? maybe. Is it that the warriors have always had dallas number? Yes. Could it be that the mavs got outcoached by don nelson? Yes. Could it be that baron davis played better than dirk? Hell yes. Could it be that the warriors role players came up big when baron davis got hurt? Hell yes, see jackson. Last one, Could it be that the mavs choked against the warriors? OF COURSE THEY DID.! But in reality, it was more of the warriors always having their number. After all, the last 2 years, they have owned the mavs more than any other team in the league.

The cavs had the spurs number too in the regular season so what? And of course there were three men on Wade on the game winning shot. Look at that shot he missed against the pistons tha Larry rebounded, if you drive on the last second shot people will obviously collapse on you. How can you accept the warriors are better then dallas but you can't acknowledge the spurs are better then the cavs? The warriors are overrated. Utah proved that. If you let Baron Daivs play like Jordan on you then you should just give up.

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Um, they have been one of the top 2 teams in league for the last 2 years. The year they went to the finals they swept memphis, defeated the spurs and the suns, 2 of the best teams in the west. They won the first 2 games and the second game, they blew out the heat. After that, The plans for the championship parade started and it looked like nothing would stop them from actually doing the parade. After all this, I have not seen one ounce of mentally weakness that you're talking about. Moving on, after the series switched to miami, wade took over and THEN, it looked like the mavs were getting a little scared. They still wouldn't give in saying stupid remarks how wade couldn't beat them from the floor rather than going to the basket because he didn't have no mid-range jumpshot. Wade answered my becoming beast on the floor rarely missing a jump shot. Then, the series went back to Dallas, and wade helped the heat finish them off. Wade made history while doing so, and also getting himself the finals mvp. Now to my point, The mavs were not mentally fragile at all before game 3 of the finals, actually, they had a mean swagger to them after their playoff run and the first 2 games of the finals. WADE MADE THEM MENTALLY FRAGILE. Enough said, he and the heat took the title from their hands and made it theirs in a very impressive way by beating them 4 games in a row becoming only the 3rd team in history to win the finals after being down 2-0 in the series. Give credit where is due.

The Mavs being one of the best regular season teams over the past two seasons doesn't mean they are not mentally fragile.

Why mention that they beat Memphis in the playoffs? Why mention that they beat a Phoenix Suns team in the playoffs without Amare Stoudemire or Kurt Thomas.

There one crowning acheivement was beating the Spurs IN THE SECOND ROUND.

None of that means they aren't mentally fragile.

Wade played great in the NBA Finals against the Mavs. But, no way in hell was he the reason they are mentally fragile. They were already that way.

And, if you want to point to anything that was one of the main causes of their mental fragility, it wasn't Dwyane Wade. It was the officials in the NBA Finals.

2006 NBA Finals Dwyane Wade stats:

Gms 1 and 2: 12 free throw attempts / gm and 38.6% FG shooting

Gms 3-6: 18.25 free throw attempts / 50.5% FG shooting

Don't give me that b.s. about how Wade made them fragile. Wade was great. But, it was the officiating and the Mavs inability to play through the officiating that made that team's collective brain into mush soup.

Enough said?

Mavs had never been to the Finals before 2006. Shaq had been there 5 times. Riley 4 or 5 times as well. Gary Payton had been there. The Mavs were not a juggernaut. They were a very good team that didn't know what they were getting into. And, now you want to prop them up like they've been doing something when you were probably one of those fans that laughed and called them chokers when they lost to Golden State.

The Heat won the championship. I won't take anything away from them being champions. But, there's no way in hell you compare them beating that Mavs team to playing against a multiple NBA championship team like the Spurs. NO WAY.

LMAO ! you talk about me not giving Lebron credit. Yet, I never see you give wade credit. Why you bringing the referees into this? HA! are you sure you not a mavs fan on the low? hahaha, you just lost all credibility you thought you had there if you saying the mavs got fvcked by the referees instead of wade making them fragile. WADE OWNED THE MAVS. Dont you understand this? Come on say it with me, W A D E O W N E D T H E M A V S. Wade led the heat in points and rebounds in the same game on games 2 and 3, Led the heat in points and asssits in the same game in game 1 and 5 along jason williams and led the heat in points in every game. That is owning a team my friend, here and in china. Stop trying to deny it, you're looking stupid. Also, why you downgrading the win they had against the suns? Many of you give props to nash and that team saying how they were a great team and went so long without him, yet, now u say they lost because they didnt have amare? LMFAO. what a joke.

You deny that the mavs are soft mentally fragile chokers yet you call Lebron one. Lets forget about the refferees and all that BS how come you don't call the mavs chokers when they blew a 2-0 lead in the finals and lost to the golden state freaking warriors in the first round. The same Warriors that got beat by the J***! How is any choking you think Lebron has done on par with that? No one in their right mind even expected cleavland to be in the finals! You say wade owned the mavs and the mavs didn't choke well why is it so hard for you to believe the best defensive team of this decade owned Lebron? You know that Bruce Bowen fellow is a pretty good defender right? And having Tim Duncan in the middle helps to. Lebron didn't choke because he never had anything to choke on.

lmao. bowen owned lebron? dude, are you serious? how many times I have to say this, HE WOULD LEAVE LEBRON WIDE OPEN TO SHOOT THE JUMPERS, WIDE OPEN, AND HE STILL WOULDN'T KNOCK THEM DOWN. One of best defender in the league would do that. Why would he do that? He knew he wouldn't shoot 'em, that's why, he was shooting bricks. Leaving your opponent wide open is not owning them, it's embarrassing them and letting them choke. Wade would get double or even triple teamed by the mavs, yet he still came through, that's owning. In a way, also, you can say that owning someone means the other team choked. But this time, it was more of wade stealing the championship from their hands and made it his and the heat's.

We must of been watching diifferent games because the one I saw Bowen was bodying up Lebron like crazy and everytime Lebron managed to get by Bowen he had to face Tim Duncan in the middle. The rest of the cavs team wasn't even payed attention to. Wade got tripple teamed? Dude if wade got tripple teamed every time he had the ball Shaq would of played far better then he did. Shaq was sufficated that's why he played so awful. If wade was getting tripple teamed I bet that Shaq fellow would be able to get 20 points on Dip and Dampier! And it's funny how yo tailor you aguments as you go to fit w/e BS your trying to spread. I think keeping one of the best scorers shooting the way Lebron shot was owning. Wade stole the trophy from the mavs? Well Lebron never had the trophy to get stolen. The cavs lost 4-0 Lebron didn't give up a 2-0 lead. The Mavs aren't chokers even though they gave up a 2-0 lead inthe finals and lost to the Eighth seeded warrior next year? Yeah I saw you still don't want to adress that in your post huh? Don't want to talk about how those mentally strong Mavs lost to a team that barly made the damn playoff and let Baron Davis do the same exact thing Wade did to them. I see a pattern. Loosing to a eighth seed after giving up a 2-0 lead..... That makes you a cho.....
You act like Lebron was the only player to stink it up in the finals. Gotta love selective memory. Lets forget about how in Kobes first finals appearence he averaged 15 ppg on 36% shooting. Yeah when I think of Kobe I don't remember the legendary Blazer comeback or all those gamewinners or 81, I remember how he played in his first finals appearence! Oh and he didn't help stop Reggie very much either! Miller averaged 25 PPG on 48 percent shooting (both above his season averages).

Mr bigshot chauncy! He has finals MVP and a ring! He can't choke right! Oh wait... 3-8 shooting (0-3 from three) in game 7 of a NBA finals! CLUTCH!
Magic Johnson! From Basketbawful.com "5. Magic Johnson: Most NBA historians feel like the Lakers should have won the 1984 NBA Finals. In fact, they could have swept the series...had it not been for Magic Johnson. The Lakers had a chance to win Game 2 in regulation, but the Lakers didn't get a shot off because Magic dribbled out the clock. He then threw the ball -- and any chance at victory -- away twice at the end of the overtime session. In Game 4, he missed two freethrows that would have given the Lakers the lead. On the Celtics very next possession, Bird posted Johnson up and drained the go-ahead basket over Magic's outstretched hands. Instead of winning the series 4-0, the Lakers lost it 4-3. Johnson was so depressed afterward that Kevin McHale started calling him "Tragic Johnson.""
In the '85 finals deciding game Larry Legend shot 12-28! John Starks... You already know.

LOL @ the "lebron never had the trophy to get stole" yeah I guess wade did.

Wade didn't get double or face three guys when he went to the line? LOL!. Just look at big dee's signature picture, OH and yeah, that was supposed to be one of the "ghost fouls". -shakes head. The mavs were not a fragile team at all before they came to miami and lost 3 straight, for the most part, courtesy of wade. The mavs were more mentally fragile against the warriors than they against the heat. When they faced the heat, the mavs owned the heat during the regular season, and not just last year, for the past 2 years or so. On the other hand, the warriors have always had dallas number. They owned the mavs during the regular season last year, and for the year before also. They had a losing record against them. They've never had a losing record against the heat until the finals. Is it that the warriors just always outplayed them? maybe. Is it that the warriors have always had dallas number? Yes. Could it be that the mavs got outcoached by don nelson? Yes. Could it be that baron davis played better than dirk? Hell yes. Could it be that the warriors role players came up big when baron davis got hurt? Hell yes, see jackson. Last one, Could it be that the mavs choked against the warriors? OF COURSE THEY DID.! But in reality, it was more of the warriors always having their number. After all, the last 2 years, they have owned the mavs more than any other team in the league.

The cavs had the spurs number too in the regular season so what? And of course there were three men on Wade on the game winning shot. Look at that shot he missed against the pistons tha Larry rebounded, if you drive on the last second shot people will obviously collapse on you. How can you accept the warriors are better then dallas but you can't acknowledge the spurs are better then the cavs? The warriors are overrated. Utah proved that. If you let Baron Daivs play like Jordan on you then you should just give up.

I do acknowledge the fact that the spurs were better than the cavs. I have never stated otherwise. So were the mavs against the heat, and seeing how much people didn't give heat much of a shot, and even worse after the first 2 games. I never said the warriors are better than dallas, But it was proven that they were always a burden to the mavs during the last 2 years or so and so they were in the playoffs. I think everyone knew the warriors were going to lose against utah, and might even get swept.

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^^ lol, I thought Flash=future wrote that, haha, i thought he used that as an example for his "everybody only remembers what happens in the finals argument". You guys have been arguing back and forth for so long, I couldn't tell who wrote what anymore. lol. my mistake.

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Um, they have been one of the top 2 teams in league for the last 2 years. The year they went to the finals they swept memphis, defeated the spurs and the suns, 2 of the best teams in the west. They won the first 2 games and the second game, they blew out the heat. After that, The plans for the championship parade started and it looked like nothing would stop them from actually doing the parade. After all this, I have not seen one ounce of mentally weakness that you're talking about. Moving on, after the series switched to miami, wade took over and THEN, it looked like the mavs were getting a little scared. They still wouldn't give in saying stupid remarks how wade couldn't beat them from the floor rather than going to the basket because he didn't have no mid-range jumpshot. Wade answered my becoming beast on the floor rarely missing a jump shot. Then, the series went back to Dallas, and wade helped the heat finish them off. Wade made history while doing so, and also getting himself the finals mvp. Now to my point, The mavs were not mentally fragile at all before game 3 of the finals, actually, they had a mean swagger to them after their playoff run and the first 2 games of the finals. WADE MADE THEM MENTALLY FRAGILE. Enough said, he and the heat took the title from their hands and made it theirs in a very impressive way by beating them 4 games in a row becoming only the 3rd team in history to win the finals after being down 2-0 in the series. Give credit where is due.

The Mavs being one of the best regular season teams over the past two seasons doesn't mean they are not mentally fragile.

Why mention that they beat Memphis in the playoffs? Why mention that they beat a Phoenix Suns team in the playoffs without Amare Stoudemire or Kurt Thomas.

There one crowning acheivement was beating the Spurs IN THE SECOND ROUND.

None of that means they aren't mentally fragile.

Wade played great in the NBA Finals against the Mavs. But, no way in hell was he the reason they are mentally fragile. They were already that way.

And, if you want to point to anything that was one of the main causes of their mental fragility, it wasn't Dwyane Wade. It was the officials in the NBA Finals.

2006 NBA Finals Dwyane Wade stats:

Gms 1 and 2: 12 free throw attempts / gm and 38.6% FG shooting

Gms 3-6: 18.25 free throw attempts / 50.5% FG shooting

Don't give me that b.s. about how Wade made them fragile. Wade was great. But, it was the officiating and the Mavs inability to play through the officiating that made that team's collective brain into mush soup.

Enough said?

Mavs had never been to the Finals before 2006. Shaq had been there 5 times. Riley 4 or 5 times as well. Gary Payton had been there. The Mavs were not a juggernaut. They were a very good team that didn't know what they were getting into. And, now you want to prop them up like they've been doing something when you were probably one of those fans that laughed and called them chokers when they lost to Golden State.

The Heat won the championship. I won't take anything away from them being champions. But, there's no way in hell you compare them beating that Mavs team to playing against a multiple NBA championship team like the Spurs. NO WAY.

LMAO ! you talk about me not giving Lebron credit. Yet, I never see you give wade credit. Why you bringing the referees into this? HA! are you sure you not a mavs fan on the low? hahaha, you just lost all credibility you thought you had there if you saying the mavs got fvcked by the referees instead of wade making them fragile. WADE OWNED THE MAVS. Dont you understand this? Come on say it with me, W A D E O W N E D T H E M A V S. Wade led the heat in points and rebounds in the same game on games 2 and 3, Led the heat in points and asssits in the same game in game 1 and 5 along jason williams and led the heat in points in every game. That is owning a team my friend, here and in china. Stop trying to deny it, you're looking stupid. Also, why you downgrading the win they had against the suns? Many of you give props to nash and that team saying how they were a great team and went so long without him, yet, now u say they lost because they didnt have amare? LMFAO. what a joke.

You deny that the mavs are soft mentally fragile chokers yet you call Lebron one. Lets forget about the refferees and all that BS how come you don't call the mavs chokers when they blew a 2-0 lead in the finals and lost to the golden state freaking warriors in the first round. The same Warriors that got beat by the J***! How is any choking you think Lebron has done on par with that? No one in their right mind even expected cleavland to be in the finals! You say wade owned the mavs and the mavs didn't choke well why is it so hard for you to believe the best defensive team of this decade owned Lebron? You know that Bruce Bowen fellow is a pretty good defender right? And having Tim Duncan in the middle helps to. Lebron didn't choke because he never had anything to choke on.

lmao. bowen owned lebron? dude, are you serious? how many times I have to say this, HE WOULD LEAVE LEBRON WIDE OPEN TO SHOOT THE JUMPERS, WIDE OPEN, AND HE STILL WOULDN'T KNOCK THEM DOWN. One of best defender in the league would do that. Why would he do that? He knew he wouldn't shoot 'em, that's why, he was shooting bricks. Leaving your opponent wide open is not owning them, it's embarrassing them and letting them choke. Wade would get double or even triple teamed by the mavs, yet he still came through, that's owning. In a way, also, you can say that owning someone means the other team choked. But this time, it was more of wade stealing the championship from their hands and made it his and the heat's.

We must of been watching diifferent games because the one I saw Bowen was bodying up Lebron like crazy and everytime Lebron managed to get by Bowen he had to face Tim Duncan in the middle. The rest of the cavs team wasn't even payed attention to. Wade got tripple teamed? Dude if wade got tripple teamed every time he had the ball Shaq would of played far better then he did. Shaq was sufficated that's why he played so awful. If wade was getting tripple teamed I bet that Shaq fellow would be able to get 20 points on Dip and Dampier! And it's funny how yo tailor you aguments as you go to fit w/e BS your trying to spread. I think keeping one of the best scorers shooting the way Lebron shot was owning. Wade stole the trophy from the mavs? Well Lebron never had the trophy to get stolen. The cavs lost 4-0 Lebron didn't give up a 2-0 lead. The Mavs aren't chokers even though they gave up a 2-0 lead inthe finals and lost to the Eighth seeded warrior next year? Yeah I saw you still don't want to adress that in your post huh? Don't want to talk about how those mentally strong Mavs lost to a team that barly made the damn playoff and let Baron Davis do the same exact thing Wade did to them. I see a pattern. Loosing to a eighth seed after giving up a 2-0 lead..... That makes you a cho.....
You act like Lebron was the only player to stink it up in the finals. Gotta love selective memory. Lets forget about how in Kobes first finals appearence he averaged 15 ppg on 36% shooting. Yeah when I think of Kobe I don't remember the legendary Blazer comeback or all those gamewinners or 81, I remember how he played in his first finals appearence! Oh and he didn't help stop Reggie very much either! Miller averaged 25 PPG on 48 percent shooting (both above his season averages).

Mr bigshot chauncy! He has finals MVP and a ring! He can't choke right! Oh wait... 3-8 shooting (0-3 from three) in game 7 of a NBA finals! CLUTCH!
Magic Johnson! From Basketbawful.com "5. Magic Johnson: Most NBA historians feel like the Lakers should have won the 1984 NBA Finals. In fact, they could have swept the series...had it not been for Magic Johnson. The Lakers had a chance to win Game 2 in regulation, but the Lakers didn't get a shot off because Magic dribbled out the clock. He then threw the ball -- and any chance at victory -- away twice at the end of the overtime session. In Game 4, he missed two freethrows that would have given the Lakers the lead. On the Celtics very next possession, Bird posted Johnson up and drained the go-ahead basket over Magic's outstretched hands. Instead of winning the series 4-0, the Lakers lost it 4-3. Johnson was so depressed afterward that Kevin McHale started calling him "Tragic Johnson.""
In the '85 finals deciding game Larry Legend shot 12-28! John Starks... You already know.

LOL @ the "lebron never had the trophy to get stole" yeah I guess wade did.

Wade didn't get double or face three guys when he went to the line? LOL!. Just look at big dee's signature picture, OH and yeah, that was supposed to be one of the "ghost fouls". -shakes head. The mavs were not a fragile team at all before they came to miami and lost 3 straight, for the most part, courtesy of wade. The mavs were more mentally fragile against the warriors than they against the heat. When they faced the heat, the mavs owned the heat during the regular season, and not just last year, for the past 2 years or so. On the other hand, the warriors have always had dallas number. They owned the mavs during the regular season last year, and for the year before also. They had a losing record against them. They've never had a losing record against the heat until the finals. Is it that the warriors just always outplayed them? maybe. Is it that the warriors have always had dallas number? Yes. Could it be that the mavs got outcoached by don nelson? Yes. Could it be that baron davis played better than dirk? Hell yes. Could it be that the warriors role players came up big when baron davis got hurt? Hell yes, see jackson. Last one, Could it be that the mavs choked against the warriors? OF COURSE THEY DID.! But in reality, it was more of the warriors always having their number. After all, the last 2 years, they have owned the mavs more than any other team in the league.

The cavs had the spurs number too in the regular season so what? And of course there were three men on Wade on the game winning shot. Look at that shot he missed against the pistons tha Larry rebounded, if you drive on the last second shot people will obviously collapse on you. How can you accept the warriors are better then dallas but you can't acknowledge the spurs are better then the cavs? The warriors are overrated. Utah proved that. If you let Baron Daivs play like Jordan on you then you should just give up.

I do acknowledge the fact that the spurs were better than the cavs. I have never stated otherwise. So were the mavs against the heat, and seeing how much people didn't give heat much of a shot, and even worse after the first 2 games. I never said the warriors are better than dallas, But it was proven that they were always a burden to the mavs during the last 2 years or so and so they were in the playoffs. I think everyone knew the warriors were going to lose against utah, and might even get swept.

The difference between the Mavs and the Heat is no where near the difference between the Spurs and the Cavs! The Heat had two top 10 players in '06! There supporting cast was the only questionable thing. All the Mavs had was Dirk. The only one with real championship experience was shaq. The cavs have one superstar and his '07 cast isn't as good as the heats '06 supporting cast. Hell the Cavs probably shouldn't of even been in the finals. The spurs had won 3 rings at that point and had the greatest power forward of all time. You could say the heat might not of been the favs against the mavs because they didn't have much jelling time but the Spurs big 3 have been together for a while and have won championships together. Manu and TP are both better then any Cavilear player not named Lebron. You acknowledged the Spurs were better then the cavs so how did you call with the Cavs did a choke? If Mike Tyson kicked my *** did I choke?

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Originally posted by King DWade332:
Oh yeah Joe! If Dallas is such a "mentally fragile" team why did your overly-sensitive self predict the Mavs to beat the Heat in 4 or 5? Hmm? Do you recall? I do, cuz you've hated and doubted the Heat pretty much every chance you got.

You got on here and congradulated on us gettting to the Finals, and when the Mavs finally beat the Suns and became our oppononent, you were quick to start bringing your negativity on here. But once again, it all backfired in your face as we became champions, and now your pretty much saying our championship wasnt neccessarily won. Ha, LOL! What a joke!

Hey everybody, when Joe starts hating or running his mouth too much, just type STFU! He'll get the point after a while to start being a reasonable intelligent basketball fan, and stop being an immature troll with a personal vendetta! It's not our fault your Pistons havent been delivering in the ECF latley. Maybe it's Detroit that's mentally fragile.

Again, I'm not really reading your post beyond that first paragraph.

I don't recall predicting anything for the 2006 NBA Finals between the Heat and the Mavs. If you care to find that quote, I'd be happy to see it. In fact, after congratulating the Heat on here for beating the Pistons, I'm pretty sure I didn't post on here until after the Heat actually won the Finals to congratulate the Heat and Heat fans for winning a title. I don't know I would have made a prediction. But, by all means, show me the quote.

You perceive everything I write as hating the Heat because you're a sensitive Heat fan.

That's fine. You cannot think or argue objectively. So, it's not worth getting into a discussion with you at all.

Believe what you want to believe. And, keep my screen name out of your posts.

Thanks.